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    Posted: 29 Jun 2024 at 16:23
  I still have an 8 valve roller kit for sale which I bought in error (doh!) It is the 'A' kit . Part numbers are 

1A002061 and 1A002062 (Left and Right obviously!) or 1A002060 together. Fits 8 valve models of Norge,

 Stelvio and Griso from mid 2010 to factory  rollerisation in mid 2012. Retail from Teo Lammers is about

 £900+. I will take £400 and post free. If you think that's too much, make me an offer! Check if it fits

 your bike; for bikes with later type cam covers. If it does fit it's your lucky day! 

   Can be fitted without head removal and therefore relatively straight forward. There must be someone

 with one of these bikes between these years. Don't make me bin it!!

    


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Might be interested if it will fit a friends Griso. Trying to find out which kit he needs.
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http://www.grisoghetto.com/t5879-the-definitive-guide-to-rollerisation
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Ed at Gutsibits might do you a deal,  swop for some stuff that you do want/need/like  maybe. 
'Binning ' is a horrible thought. 
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I have a couple of used later cam covers painted black or can put you in touch with a guy with a good pair so I could.

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Hi, Let me know if it will fit, it's a good deal if it does!
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If that's to me, I'm afraid he needs a B kit.
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Hi Min, It's info from the Ghetto which got me in this mess in the first place. It's not as easy as putting later cam cam covers on an early model. The 'A' kit will not fit the early Griso, the heads are different. I had to buy another kit hence why I'm stuck with this one. The Ghetto site should have taken down their misinformation but last time I looked it was still there. We live and learn!
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Hi Graeme, Thanks for letting me know, I think the bin is calling!!
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It's a minefield & based on what you say I remain even more confused (but rollerised) because I have a July 2009 Griso that I fitted with an A kit plus valve spring shims in 2016....I wasn't aware the heads were different but my bike is running fine (gulp !?!)...

Are you sure 2009-2013 heads won't take an A kit because......I vaguely remember choosing 'A kit plus shims' etc instead of recommended 'C kit' because (despite service record saying only LHS had been 're-flat tappeted & new camshaft'; and no record of RHS being touched) the failed rocker box and tubes was the short tube version which it shouldn't have been for the year.....heads were defo original

The parts manual doesn't mention that cylinder heads are different between Griso 2009-2013, even though rocker box/cam cover options are different.
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Hi Paul, I'm only going of Griso Ghetto info so I may be wrong (wouldn't be the first time!). I know you can adapt the B kit to suit bikes which should have the C kit and it is a lot cheaper, just add head gaskets and valve spring shims. This may be what you did? The guy on the Ghetto said he put an 'A' kit on an early ('C' type) Griso and the towers cracked when they were tightened down which is why I am surmising that the heads must be slightly different.  As I said, I don't have first hand information, only what I've read. If yours is running well, I think you may have used the 'B' kit.
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I defo bought & fitted an 'A kit' from TLM
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But you are correct, as Roper says in his definitive thread 

During the time when the factory was thrashing around feebly trying to find a solution to the problem of the flat tappets self destructing one thing they tried is deepening the weirs in which the cam lobes actually spin. One assumes that this was in the hope that keeping more lubricant on and around the lobes and tappets would save them. Sadly this was another bit of magical thinking that didn't work but these deeper weirs were added at the same time as the swap to the late type plug tube and rocker cover sealing system in 2011.

To accomodate the slight extra depth of the weir castings in the camboxes the actual cylinder head on these later motors is machined under the weir to provide extra clearance. Earlier model, 'Long' plug tube heads do not have this machining. Since all of the roller conversion kits are manufactured using parts cast for the California 1400, (Hence the extra, redundant, plug tunnel.) which also have this machining to the head the weirs are all of the 'Deep' type. Now woe betide you if you try and fit one of these later type camboxes from an 'A' kit to an early bike! While the difference in depth isn't great if you try it you will be rewarded by a 'Clink' noise as you torque the main head/cambox retaining studs down. That'll be the sound of the weir cracking and costing you a considerable sum of money! You can probably guess how I found that out? Embarassed
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Can't believe I missed this.

Is the Kit still available?

Would be very interested if it is.

Thanks . . . 
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