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Originally posted by V7Chris V7Chris wrote:

Originally posted by Doug Doug wrote:

I use my Stelvio for weekend trips and for everything else including my daily commute I use the mighty 650 V Strom.
Doug, silly question but bear in mind that the last chain final drive bike that I had was a Honda 400/4 in 1979. Ever since then, I have only owned shaft or belt final drive. The chain on the VStrom makes the 400/4 one look like a bicycle chain. How often does it need adjustment (moderate riding, I would soon get a slap around the back of my head if I started to pop wheelies) and what do you use to lube it these days? Not 3in1 oil like I did in the 70's I suspect!
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Not a V-strom (although I have had one and liked it) but I did around 18,000 miles on my 955i Triumph Tiger and adjusted the chain precisely once in that time. It showed virtually no wear using the recommended chain length measure.

It was an X ring type and the only maintenance I gave it was a spray with Wurth chain wax every few hundred miles. Current chains are so much better than they were that they're almost fit and forget.

Not the case for the Norton of course as there's no room for an O or X ring chain and the 5/8" x 1/4" is on the spindly side - although always good enough for the Manxes.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote V7Chris Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 2018 at 17:36
Thanks Ian
That is reassuring as the Tiger must have many more torques and horses than the Weestrom. Funnily enough, from an old MCN review I had already earmarked the Wurth chainwax for the shopping list.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote red leader one Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 2018 at 19:42
I used Wurth when I started biking found it good stuff.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jog53 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Sep 2018 at 20:30
I found Scott-Oilers to be great bits of kit on chain driven bikes. For the 14 years that I had a 1998 VFR 800Fi, I never had to change sprockets or chain. Put up 35 K miles on it. Used hypoid gear oil as the lubricant after the OE stuff ran out. I used the older version, I think the more recent one involves an electrical feed....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote iansoady Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Sep 2018 at 11:57
I don't really think O / X ring chains need any significant amount of lubricant. The main wearing surfaces are the pins / bushes / rollers and they should be lubricated by what's applied during manufacture. There should be no sliding movement between the rollers and the sprockets. And if the oil or grease can't get out through the rings then how can it get in when applied via scottoiler?

TBH all I think the Wurth wax did was to stop any rusting of chain plate edges etc.
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I have seen sprocket teeth shaped like shark fins as they wore from contact with rollers. As stated, a good chain should survive with a minimal amount of maintenance and lubricant. A Scott-Oiler or equivalent would provide same. I do not believe that any chain, be it X or O ring, would survive extended use without an external lubricant. A lubricant also provides a barrier to metal-on-metal contact between chain and sprocket. Bike and car shops are full of chain products that you either spray or paint onto chains. Probably one of the reasons why Guzzi and others opted for enclosed, lubricated drive shafts.

But thats just my opinion.
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Originally posted by jog53 jog53 wrote:

I have seen sprocket teeth shaped like shark fins as they wore from contact with rollers. 

What you are seeing is bent teeth that result from having worn pins & bushes - wear inside the chain.

Wear of the chain pins & bushes results in the pins becoming further apart when the chain is under tension. This extends the inter-pin distance increasing effective  link length. As a consequence of "longer" links the links are too long to fit snug in on the sprocket teeth and they ride up the sprocket teeth (where the circumference is greater). This results in the chain pulling not on the base of the sprocket teeth but on the outer tip of the teeth, which is much weaker, giving the characteristic bend or hook at  the end of each tooth.

This pin/bush wear is why you can test chain wear by trying to pull the chain away from the sprocket. An unworn chain will be a tight fit in the sprocket teeth and not lift, a chain with worn pins will lift.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nab301 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Sep 2018 at 19:48
I have used scottoilers in the  distant past  but  nowadays I find it  just as handy to regularly brush on mineral gear oil as recommended by most of the motorcycle manufacturers. (Thus forcing me to regularly inspect the chain unlike with a scottoiler)   Imho  the oil prevents the visible bits going rusty  and keeps the o/x rings moist and flexible . (I guess rust  on the inside of the side plates could damage the o/x rings too).
I've had one failure in the last 20 yrs but it was an unmarked chain fitted by a previous owner  , it wasn't worn , but on close inspection  some foreign object may  have been picked up between chain and rear sprocket snapping the side plates..

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote V7Chris Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Sep 2018 at 21:02
Guys I feel guilty about raising this query and hijacking this thread now! I will monitor chain wear and stretch, adjust as necessary and use use Wurth chain wax regularly as Ian suggested. If it doesn't last,or the sprockets wear I have learned a lesson.
Thanks for your comments.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mike H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2018 at 00:20
Cabin fever is setting in early! Winter is on the way .. Ouch



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian UK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2018 at 08:10
Well a surprising number seem to use their bikes for measuring chain wear. LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BobV7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2018 at 09:16
Do you remember a grease that came in a round tin for the chain which you then popped in the oven? I knew my marriage had a reasonable chance of success when her only reaction to my doing this was raised eyebrows and a shake of her head.LOL
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Originally posted by BobV7 BobV7 wrote:

Do you remember a grease that came in a round tin for the chain which you then popped in the oven? I knew my marriage had a reasonable chance of success when her only reaction to my doing this was raised eyebrows and a shake of her head.LOL
yes I remember doing that on my trusty triumph ( trusted to break down) I used to take the chain off, clean it with paraffin in a big tub to remove the dirt, then stick it in that tin thing and cook it
I sold the thing to a breakers in South London, after 2 years of hassle
never again, my parents were pleased as well. less oil stains and dirty fingermarks everywhere
on the upside my physical fitness was excellent with all the walking and pushing I did
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian UK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2018 at 10:04
Originally posted by BobV7 BobV7 wrote:

Do you remember a grease that came in a round tin for the chain which you then popped in the oven?

Duckhams, still got a tin of that. Works on U/Js too if heated.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jog53 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Sep 2018 at 11:53
A little contankerous at the moment because the wife handed me six tins of paint and a telescopic roller. She then pointed to the ceilings and walls.....
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