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BondEquipe ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Dec 2014 Location: Barnacle Status: Offline Points: 1831 |
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I'd best tell my mate that as he has a Harley engined Featherbed!
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Andy M ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 27 Jan 2015 Location: Leeds Status: Offline Points: 1056 |
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Cutting to one cylinder is going to do wonders on an emissions test, I'm surprised VW didn't think of it.
I'd really like to test these, pull the fan fuse on the Buell or pack one cylinder on a Guzzi with a close fitting cowl. Hot air rises and pulls in cool air. It's how stationary engines work. All those pumps and cement mixers don't have such trouble. This makes me wonder if fans etc. were a marketing department thing? Andy
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Tony G ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 2020 Location: CO Durham Status: Offline Points: 365 |
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That makes sense AndyW A faf on but I'm surprised HD don't do the same.
That's interesting Speciality, I'm looking forward to seeing my mate with his modern Indian. I'll be asking how his Thumber is doing
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Speciality ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2022 Location: Bucks Status: Offline Points: 129 |
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Modern big Indians cut one cylinder when warm and stationary. Presumably they go from sounding cool to sounding like a dumper truckā¦.
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AdrianW ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 05 May 2019 Location: Bristol Status: Offline Points: 841 |
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>>I seem to remember reading somewhere that the rear cyclinder is designed to run hotter. << My Buell XB9S has a thumping great fan behind the rear cyclinder that comes on if the bike gets too warm (or sometimes when you park it up..) controlled by a sensor somewhere.. Mind you that motor has been breathed on more than a little (by Harley standards) and the frame wraps around it so the cylinders don't benefiit from a passing breeze... !! Guzzi had a better idea, stick 'em out in the wind.... Cheers, Adrian Bristol UK |
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Brian UK ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 2014 Location: Surrey Status: Offline Points: 16955 |
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Many years ago, when the fashion was to put engines into the Norton Featherbed frame, I was told you couldn't fit a Harley engine into the Featherbed, but you could fit the Featherbed into the Harley engine if you fed it in sideways. |
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Tony G ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 2020 Location: CO Durham Status: Offline Points: 365 |
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Thanks Brian and Andy M.
Tony
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Andy M ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 27 Jan 2015 Location: Leeds Status: Offline Points: 1056 |
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You recall correctly. It's in the realms of mechanical minutiae though, you don't see Harleys in good fettle with any ill effects unless you run your 1910 model on the original oil beyond the service intervals or in Death Valley. Our own V-Twins will run marginally hotter on one cylinder just because the first to fire pulses mixture in the second. If you want less of even that you have to do what Douglas did and the Bavarians copied, a 179 degree cylinder spacing and two throw crank. You can also change one bore size and then chase your tail sorting out the resulting vibration and increased numbers of components. To me there is nothing wrong with a Harley engine except they won't mount them in Vincent style frames. The journalists get confused by the marketing. The cruiser market is big and Guzzi, Honda etc. have had success in it. The Harley-Davidson market is smaller and is people who want Harleys for the image and lifestyle stuff as much as the bike. H-D are in both markets. Saying you are going to compete with H-D is like saying you'll compete with Honda but not saying if you're making a car, a bike, a robot or a generator set. IIRC the Florida was killed off at one of the emissions gateway points. If it couldn't meet the regs or just didn't sell you'd need to ask someone at Moto Guzzi. Andy
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Tony G ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 2020 Location: CO Durham Status: Offline Points: 365 |
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Just looked on Guzzi owners. The bellagio is nice, but so is the V7 special. Hmm.
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Brian UK ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 2014 Location: Surrey Status: Offline Points: 16955 |
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That design has been around for so many years, I'm sure Harley would have factored that point in by now.
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Guzzi1000SE ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 23 Dec 2018 Location: South Yorkshire Status: Offline Points: 551 |
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I don't know anything about Harley's, (or anything else for that matter) but I seem to remember reading somewhere that the rear cyclinder is designed to run hotter. If you haven't read it already, you might find the following article of interest |
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Brian UK ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 2014 Location: Surrey Status: Offline Points: 16955 |
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Don't know about the Harley connection, but yes, it was killed off by EU etc. emission standards.
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Tony G ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 2020 Location: CO Durham Status: Offline Points: 365 |
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I could be wrong but it will be a better bike than the sportster. I always think the rear cyclinder on Harly's will run hot.?
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Guzzi1000SE ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 23 Dec 2018 Location: South Yorkshire Status: Offline Points: 551 |
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I've heard and read the same in a couple of articles. My understanding was that it was supposed to be pitched directly at the Harley Sportster. |
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Jerry atric ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Nov 2014 Location: Wiltshire Status: Offline Points: 3170 |
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Someone more knowledgeable than me said it was an attempt to tap the Hardly Ableson market but then it was killed off by European emission controls. Don't know if that's true or just an urban myth?... Brian UK?
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