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Originally posted by Brian UK Brian UK wrote:

Originally posted by theone&onlymin theone&onlymin wrote:


On the traffic joining motorways etc, get yourself out of the way for crying out loud. You know they're not going to use it as a give way (which it is ?)  and we aren't there to teach the other road users a lesson. 

I remember I was on the M4, just approaching the end of a junction, so traffic joining. Mway was busy, I was in left lane, had a car right up behind me, one not far in front and another on my right.
Big SUV joining just comes out into the space I was in, not looking anywhere but in front.
That was, of course, the time the horn relay decided not to work. Had fitted Stebel Nautilus horn a few days earlier. Bloody Italian relays.
So just how was I supposed to "get myself out of the way"?


Slow down? The SUV must have been visible for a while.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian UK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jan 2020 at 13:26
Yes, slow down with a car right up my back end.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote iansoady Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jan 2020 at 13:38
Better than being sideswiped by the one coming on to the motorway?

I fitted a high level brake light / fog light on top of the back box on my Tiger as it was nearer the eyeline of following drivers. Fitted with bright LEDS it was quite obvious.

But if you'd been travelling for some time with a car up the back end and one close in front the only thing you can control (or at least influence) is the gap in front of you and I'd have been backing off well before the junction to give a bit of space. If a motorway is busy it's inevitable someone will try to push in when joining and generally it's not too much of a problem.
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Certainly it is difficult to increase your stopping distance from the car in front, if you are being pressed from behind.  But when my zone of safety is reduced behind, I like to increase it ahead if I can. That would be my option, being more comfortable at lower speeds than prevail in our fast lanes, but for those with more cc's and fewer years the fast lane beckons. It's full of guys in shirtsleeves and shorts on scooters.
If I wasn't able to avoid such conditions, I would be tempted to have a button on the 'bars which illuminated my stop light and both rear indicators.
Or a device for hurling oranges.

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Something like this?

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Or a device for hurling oranges.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mike H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jan 2020 at 17:09
Quote On the traffic joining motorways etc, get yourself out of the way for crying out loud.

+1. Also at that angle, you are likely to be in their blind spot. You have to be a car driver to know what this is. Sometimes you can hide a bus in there. When I used to be on the motorcycle training scheme we were forever banging on about making sure you can be seen behind in rearview mirrors. Place yourself where the driver's got the best chance of noticing you. If you can see his face, he can see you. Still means he's got to actually look, so don't assume anything. Same for vehicles coming out of side roads. We use to say look at the driver's face, is it A. turned in your direction, and B. looking at you? Also bikes tend to move too quickly for car drivers (or pedestrians even) to deal with so in busy areas, effing slow down.


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Originally posted by Ben. Ben. wrote:

Certainly it is difficult to increase your stopping distance from the car in front, if you are being pressed from behind.  But when my zone of safety is reduced behind, I like to increase it ahead if I can. That would be my option, being more comfortable at lower speeds than prevail in our fast lanes, but for those with more cc's and fewer years the fast lane beckons. It's full of guys in shirtsleeves and shorts on scooters.
If I wasn't able to avoid such conditions, I would be tempted to have a button on the 'bars which illuminated my stop light and both rear indicators.
Or a device for hurling oranges.




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Edited by Mike H - 13 Jan 2020 at 17:26
"Chicken nuggets don't dance on a Tuesday."
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ben. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jan 2020 at 19:32
Just the job Brian, and no problem finding a rear gunner as it is obviously designed to be operated by a short man standing up, or a tall man sitting down.
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As for the video Mike, I’m still having palpitations.  No wonder I stick to the smaller roads, one of the perks of retirement. I’ve never regarded motorcycles as a safe form of transport for anyone who would rather not be making the journey. As in going to work ...
Good point about blind spots, it might not be an exaggeration to say that on motorways most danger comes from behind?

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I was taught to ride defensively and assume you have not been seen.
On motorways I always try to look ahead and move over if something is trying to join. Incresingly cars to my right try to close the gaps up rather then letting me over though.
I have found the bike you ride also seems to influence driver behavior.
If I'm running around town on my CG Honda cars seem to think they can drive straight at you or push you into the kerb.
My Aprilia Pegaso witch is tall and narrow seems to be missed by most drivers until I fitted extra lights. They made a massive difference. The Guzzi on the other hand is as wide as a car with the panniers and has a lot of precence on the road and is normaly spotted.
My classic Honda CB750 &  550 can be hard work in built up areas as people don't seem to want to give me the stopping distances both bikes need.
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Motorcyclists  are invisible to everyone else on the planet.

For them we don't exist that's why they don't see us.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ben. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jan 2020 at 21:08
I remember seeing a fine video of a Cortina pulling out of a side road in front of a Ural Cossack combo, and being duly belted into the weeds, the untroubled Ural stopped, the rider wandered over to the stunned driver and said, "Sorry mate, I didn't see you."
I call that style.
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Originally posted by nab301 nab301 wrote:


 
......I would have to add Speeding  E scooters and electric bicycles  using the footpath, Having to physically stop phone users walking out in front of traffic at junctions,  and the latest  one near my work place ...   Mobility scooter footpath rage , where a mobility scooter driver  feels they have more right to the pavement than pedestrians , indicated by blowing their (mobility scooter) horn ( I didn't know up till now that they had horns)    swerving  violently  and swearing loudly Shocked  

The UK highway code now has rules for mobility scooter users also,though I doubt many of the users are aware of this including:

Rule 38

Pavements are safer than roads and should be used when available. You should give pedestrians priority and show consideration for other pavement users, particularly those with a hearing or visual impairment who may not be aware that you are there.


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I've found mobility scooters to be at their most dangerous to others in Supermarkets.

"SOME" are ridden way to fast in the aisles and they show no regard for anyone else who may be out of sight at the end of an aisle.

I have now taken to using a Panzerfaust whilst out shopping and the results have been remarkable.
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