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    Posted: 18 Jul 2021 at 21:35
Anyone got any thoughts good or bad about Sat navs.
I'm swaying towards the Garmin Zumo XT because it seems to get the most consistently good reviews. 
Would appreciate your thoughts. 
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I bought a BMW R1250GS last September, and it came with the cradle for the Garmin Nav6.  I purchased one of them too.

As I was intending/am hoping to get to Mandello  I purchased a similar cradle on eBay and fitted it to my LeMans left clip on using a Ram clamp, allowing me to swap the Nav6 between bikes.  

It also does Bluetooth connection between phone & helmet.

I’m not sure that it’s the best sat Nav in town, but there’s lots of knowledge & opinion on the GSERS site at 


I also have the laptop app which allows route planning.  Do have a read of the link.

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I've used my car sat nav on my bikes for years now.
Frankly cannot justify the huge costs of bike sat navs.
I found one of these pouch holders and a clamp to the bars.
Wired in a waterproof USB socket and a socket to connect my helmet speakers.
Agreed not so slick but adequate for me
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Simond Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jul 2021 at 07:13
Car satnav built-in…

Phone satnav is an option, but beware that rigidly mounting an iphone to the bike might kill the camera in the phone, due to vibration.

I did use Google maps voice turn-by-turn to the headset in my helmet, with phone in pocket, this is ok, cheap & quite convenient, except if you miss an instruction you’ll probably have to stop to find out where you are.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian UK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jul 2021 at 08:17
I second Richard on this, use a car one in a pouch. A fraction of the price and probably work better too.
Some years back I was riding in France with a friend. He had a Garmin bike specific satnav. It ket on telling him to turn righ/left etc about 20 yds after the junction. My old car unit was fine.

Not a fan of phone satnavs.
When touring abroad you could get stung for roaming charges, and you are also reliant on a good phone signal.

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I have used a Garmin in a waterproof pouch for many yrs, rode toWales in pouring rain it has always worked. I use sat nav daily with work, occasionally it can't pinpoint a place in a village and i resort to the phone Google maps BUT while the phone can find remote places it is not as quick on the road as the garmin. The car satnav is wide screen, and came with lifetime maps for £75 ,..... the pouch with flexible fitting that bolts to the mirror stalk was around £15 ..... Waterproof cigar socket/usb i got from Towzatronics
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I use my iPhone, clamped in the handle bars, with the Scenic App installed.  No problem with vibration, being using it for 4 years now.  The Scenic app allows you to install it on your iPad too, this makes it easier to build your route, via by via including stops.  Once done, just startup the app on the iPhone and your route will appear.  Turn by turn shown on the iPhone, and voice instructions to your helmet comms.
Cost is yearly, around £17, or I paid around £50 forever, which includes all updates, both app and map updates.
The best feature I find is the route you are on, if you are following in a group, is automatically stored so you can keep the route and use again.
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I’ve been thinking about getting a new sat nav for a while, that I could use in the car or on a bike, as the old TomTom car one I had been using on the bike packed up.

I’ve been looking at car sat navs with mounts and waterproof pouches as the TomTom & Garmin bike versions are too expensive.

Then the other week I got an email at work from a company (that sends relevant offers to staff) offering 25% off TomTom sat navs & 40% of accessories.  I followed the link to the web site and for a laugh picked a TomTom Rider 550 and entered the 25% offer code.  Imagine my surprise when it reduced the price by 65%.    

I checked all the other sat navs on the site using the code but it was only the 550 rider that reduced by 65% to £139.99.  I bit the bullet and bought it along with a car mount reduced by 40%.     

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I’m another user of the Scenic app.  I prefer audio instructions, without the distraction of video.  I have my phone in my pocket with, when necessary, a power bank as a back up for the battery.   This avoids extra wiring, risk of vibration damage to your phone and- a real risk for people like me - forgetting to take your device with you when you leave your bike!

I like being able to plan routes on my iPad.  This makes positioning waypoints and stopping points - to which the app can be very sensitive - easy using a a simple visual targeting approach.  It can have the odd quirk in creating routes but, again, careful scrutiny on the iPad highlights these and editing is easy. The app is very straightforward to use, with visual targeting on “zoomabel” maps of waypoints, starts and stops.

It has some neat features: trip logging, the ability to search and save points of interest (usually cafes for me!), the ability to attach photos to routes and save them to your main photo library,  international maps, record-keeping for your bike and a whole raft of route sharing and import options that I have never tried.  User support is very good and there is a useful set of tips on the website - https://scenicapp.space/ - and in some YouTube videos.

It can be tried free but you do not get audio.  An annual subscription is about £20 and a lifetime one -which I went for - about £75.  It does all I want in a straightforward way.  It is not perfect - though the developers actively work on improvements that are issued free - but I find it’s foibles add to the interest.
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@v85MP
I use my iPhone, clamped in the handle bars, with the Scenic App installed.  No problem with vibration, being using it for 4 years now. 


I don’t know how old yours is but I t’s the newer iPhones with image stabilisation that suffer vibration damage.
Hence Quadlock now recommend using their anti - vibration damper.


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Mine is a newer iPhone and the problem is with the photo image stabilisation.   Not all bikes cause problems - it seems to be the frequency of vibration rather than the amount.  I am waiting to see more evidence that Quadlock’s vibration damper is fully effective before trusting it.

There seem to be similar problems with other phone mounts, including Ultimate Addons, but you don’t - surprise, surprise- hear much about this, especially from the various YouTube vloggers who have current or past sponsorship deals.
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I use CoPilot on an android phone. Works very well although I haven't used it on the bike - mounts are available for a few quid and a plastic bag would serve as waterproofing in the unlikely event I was out in the rain.....

17 quid or so for all western Europe. It's far better than the built in one in my Freelander 2.
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I'm using a Zumo 550 on my V7iii. It's my oldest satnav but it still works ok for small roads. I have a Zumo 595 TE on my BMW R1150R used for international trips. The Zumo 595 has lane assist and works a bit faster and has a bigger screen. The 595 is unfortunately a TE (Travel Edition) so I need a workaround to update the map on my Windows-PC. Mapcource and Basecamp don't work on Ubuntu (linux). Mapsource is the old program. The biggest disadvantage of Basecamp is that it stores everyting in the regestry. If you have a camera connected it loads and stores all pictures there too.
With the old Mapsource you used windows explorer to store routes and tracks in the place you want, in between other documents (word excel pdf) related to the trip.
When you go on holiday and you want to change / make a route on your laptop without internet, you need to have the maps off-line, on your PC. With Garmin you can install the maps and Basecamp on your laptop. I have heard but not sure that now TomTom also have this option. (need to check this)
The XT is a newer satnav, I have no experience with it.
My Zumo 550 and 595 both have had longterm showers while riding, no problems, no extra case needed. Only a few weeks ago I noticed the powerbutton of my 550 (from 2007) came loose, I glued it back in place with siliconepaste.
Another problem I had with the 550 was a breadcrumb between the screen and the bezel. It made the 550 go in test mode, after the crumb was removed, it operated as normal.
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Well I splashed out on a Tom Tom 550.
Spoke to a very nice lady who's been using one on her BMW 1200RS who raved about it and said it was leagues ahead of the BMW branded Garmin device she had before which was so problematic she ended up getting a refund.
Bought mine from J&S who are doing good deals at the moment, down to £299.

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I've used my car Garmin in the past. Until it decided to ignore bypasses.

1st time I assumed I'd done something wrong. It took my up the A34 through B'ham. Around here the A34 is dual carriageway trunk road. In B'ham it is a shopping street.

Then it ignored the Dorchester bypass. I was ready for it at Honiton and Exeter.

There's no settings that would affect it. It went in the bin, and I now use Google maps on my phone and ONE earpiece. Might experiment with some of the routing apps mentioned.
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