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Topic: Cali 1400 2013
Posted By: hughguzzi
Subject: Cali 1400 2013
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2019 at 19:19
Got a test ride booked on a California 1400 2013, 6000m on clock, looks very tidy region of £8500
Been lusting after one since I first saw one.  I know its going to very different to my 1150gs and 1100 Griso, never had  cruiser style bike before but somehow this one appeals. Anyone got any tips of what to look out for regarding common issues ? Its listed as a 'touring' but don't think thats right as its not got the panniers, does have the HB sissy bar/rack and crash bars up front though.
Any comments ?
Cheers
 



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Posted By: motomike1400
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2019 at 10:01
Issue with mine over 6 years and 26000 miles in all weathers.
Condensation in the Speedo. A light misting on mine, replaced under warranty at 18 months.
Leaky seat, again replaced. New one was the same. Moisture appearing through the vinyl, not at a seam.
That's it.

Worth checking. Look at swinging arm where rear wheel peppers it with gravel. Mine had gravel rash, cleaned off and protected with stone chip underseal.
Same thing on crossbrace of frame under the engine.

Mine had the panniers, screen, spotlights, heated grips etc. 100% reliable. Keep battery topped up and she starts instantly on the button every time. She was a keeper till the weight became an issue pushing it around the garage to access t'other bikes. The 1400 takes the space of two bikes.



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Posted By: motomike1400
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2019 at 10:04
Oh, forgot. ABS sensor failed at 15000 miles...about 40 quid at dealers. 

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Posted By: Ken-Guzzibear
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2019 at 11:28
Took the Eldorado out for a test ride my impression was fantastic the weight dissapeared with any forward movement, the ergonomics hand and foot controls way way better than the 1100 the clever electronics that figure out the Tourque-power ratio to apply were fantastic. Handling was way better than a cruiser tag lets you think it will be ...we went out 2 up Annie was whooping all the way she loved the pillion ....if funds allowed i would have a 1400 in a heartbeat 

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Posted By: johnno
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2019 at 12:47
Originally posted by Ken-Guzzibear Ken-Guzzibear wrote:

Took the Eldorado out for a test ride my impression was fantastic the weight dissapeared with any forward movement, the ergonomics hand and foot controls way way better than the 1100 the clever electronics that figure out the Tourque-power ratio to apply were fantastic. Handling was way better than a cruiser tag lets you think it will be ...we went out 2 up Annie was whooping all the way she loved the pillion ....if funds allowed i would have a 1400 in a heartbeat 
and i would have the all matt black customThumbs Up


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Posted By: hughguzzi
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 19:32
Thanks for the feedback, I have read of issues with the exhaust X over cracking, exhaust brackets comming loose /breaking, misting clocks, rear bevel drive leakages from poor internal machining and rough running (snatchy transmission/bucking ride) at lower revs (sorted on my Griso with a Finbeau and air valve mods) Funny - similar issues to the Griso ! 

But many owners absolutely love the power and ride/ handling and I love the look.
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Posted By: TooJuicy
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 22:18
Originally posted by hughguzzi hughguzzi wrote:

Got a test ride booked on a California 1400 2013..... Its listed as a 'touring' but don't think thats right as its not got the panniers, does have the HB sissy bar/rack and crash bars up front though.
Any comments ?
Cheers

Are you actually looking at the California Custom rather than the California Touring?

Significant differences of Touring over Custom include panniers,  higher handlebars, windscreen, extra front lamps, bigger dual seat.

Tony


Posted By: hughguzzi
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2019 at 17:22
From pictures I have seen of the Touring, this bike looks to me  like a Custom with a small fly screen, added crash bars & HB back rest/rack. They have listed it as a Touring but there are NO panniers, touring screen, extra lights, touring seat, two tone paint on tank.  I believe the custom has a slightly higher ride height to improve handling - not that I can tell that by looking at it ?



Posted By: hughguzzi
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2019 at 17:30
Right - Test Rode !!

WoW - FANTASTIC pulling power in Tourismo and Veloce and good handling, very comfy and lots of room to move about with footboards. Bit strange with gears and footbrake so far forward but easy to get used to. Lumpy, viby tickover quite characterful and smooth as silk on the move. Nice and low revving with plenty of pulling power even in too high a gear but open her up with revs and whoooooahhh !

But - the Lanfranconi exhausts are a lovely sound but so bloody loud for the rider, almost painfully so - don't know how loud they seem to passers by ?  can you get DB killers for these ? Have asked if they have the standard pipes with it but they ar'nt sure. 

Also, let go of the bars and it pulls to the right - (my Griso does not at all, totally stable) - could this be a sign of rear subframe issues ive read about ?

Also revs hang at about 1500 for a few seconds before dropping to tickover. 

Apart from that it looks immaculate and with metzeler tyres. 


Posted By: motomike1400
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2019 at 11:05
Also, let go of the bars and it pulls to the right - (my Griso does not at all, totally stable) - could this be a sign of rear subframe issues ive read about ?

That's odd. My Touring would track dead straight with cruise control on and hands off bars. While rolling a fag at 70 mph. Which is strange as I'm a non smoker.  To get the bike off line took a lot of effort. So not sure why your test ride bike pulled right.

I think the X pipe issue affected the earliest bikes. My 2013 was fine.


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Posted By: hughguzzi
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2019 at 23:31
I presume the cali 1400 has a catalytic c, is it under the bike or in the standard exhaust ? Do the lanfranconis have one in and does the bike need an electronic box of tricks to let it run right ?  


Posted By: BobV7
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 00:21
That bike's a lot cheaper than any of the other ones advertise....funny that.

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Posted By: motomike1400
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 09:49
Original silencers contain the cat.converter under the heat shield portion. Don't know about after market stuff.
The engine revs 'hanging' before dropping to takeover 1100 to 1300 rpm was normal on mine and the 2 others I've ridden. Just ignored it having learnt to declutch a little earlier rolling to a stop...otherwise high takeover causes a higher than expected approach to give way/ stop signs.


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Posted By: iceni
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 10:41
Originally posted by BobV7 BobV7 wrote:

That bike's a lot cheaper than any of the other ones advertise....funny that.

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Posted By: red leader one
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 16:53
If it looks too good to be true then it probably isn't.


Posted By: iceni
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 17:12
You have to remember that when looking for your next bike,
That every silver lining has a cloud.  Ask me how I know.
On second thoughts, please don’t!Big smile


Posted By: hughguzzi
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 19:47
I don't think theres anything deliberately dodgy? Its a local to me main dealer Harley / Ducati which has been here for 25 + years, They sell on very tidy trade ins against those. Guzzis are not their normal thing and dont think they know a lot about them.  Although they did have a cali last year which sold.  Bike was traded in against a BMW R9T and has been there for quite a few months - also a sale on at the moment. I have seen on tinternet a Cali with bags / screen etc ooop north for less money, but I agree most are higher money as more recent and lower mileage. They say they will do the 6000 mile service and check out the pulling to right. Also the accompanying test rider is a long term biking friend working for the shop and I'm sure he would let me know if he had any issues. Wink


Posted By: johnno
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 22:25
In this country these are hard bikes to sell there are few riders that have the guts to be different , the only worries I would have are tyre changing , and throttle not having cables but younger folk would not worry so much . I would love a Matt black custom Thumbs Up

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Posted By: BobV7
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 23:12
Don't know where the idea of "having guts to be different" comes from when choosing to buy a bike. Sounds a bit too much like the excuse some people use for wearing leather jeans with laces down the sides!Embarrassed

Maybe the bike is OK but it is very cheap.Ermm


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Posted By: johnno
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2019 at 23:38
Originally posted by BobV7 BobV7 wrote:

Don't know where the idea of "having guts to be different" comes from when choosing to buy a bike. Sounds a bit too much like the excuse some people use for wearing leather jeans with laces down the sides!Embarrassed

Maybe the bike is OK but it is very cheap.Ermm
I see your point quite clear , but I get fed up of guzzis people always thinking eBay and cheaper bikes are always Something wrong . I sold 6 bikes in 1995 well cheap because I lost my home because I didn't I budget correctly they were bargains  lol 

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Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 07:40
`Surely as long as you go in with your eyes open, the price doesn't matter.

The seller is a known trader, which means you have plenty of backup from the sale of goods legislation, so there shouldn't be any risk.

As said, the bike has been in that dealer for several months, so clearly there is no big market for it. In the end, in this country, it's the market which dictates the price.

I have this gold bar I am prepared to give away. I know it's safe to offer it like this because giving it away makes it too cheap, so I know nobody will want it. LOL


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Posted By: BobV7
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 08:10
You're not the only one to have sold bikes too cheap...set the bar too low to encourage bids and only got one. Dhooo!

I'm on me way Brian! Always happy to collect unwanted gold bars. Don't bother cleaning it up.LOL

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Posted By: motomike1400
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 11:15
Regarding price. I don't think it's too cheap. I sold my Touring for about that. Higher mileage but better equipped. If i wanted another 1400 I'd go for it.

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Posted By: red leader one
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2019 at 13:54
"They say they will do the 6000 mile service and check out the pulling to right. Also the accompanying test rider is a long term biking friend working for the shop and I'm sure he would let me know if he had any issues"

That seems fair enough. Can't moan at that.


Posted By: hughguzzi
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 21:26
I don't think I'm having a problem with the bikes condition, price or backup from the shop, suppose I'm having second thoughts about ability to resell seeing as Guzzi are apparently withdrawing the 1400 from UK market ? - means I would take a big hit in value. I know that the bike you ride is a mostly heart thing not a money thing, but it plays a part when my other option is a Stelvio which Ive not test ridden yet ! 


Posted By: motomike1400
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2019 at 09:08
Originally posted by hughguzzi hughguzzi wrote:

I don't think I'm having a problem with the bikes condition, price or backup from the shop, suppose I'm having second thoughts about ability to resell seeing as Guzzi are apparently withdrawing the 1400 from UK market ? - means I would take a big hit in value. I know that the bike you ride is a mostly heart thing not a money thing, but it plays a part when my other option is a Stelvio which Ive not test ridden yet ! 

But isn't the Stelvio also a withdrawn model?

As an aside, I have ridden a Norge (same motor as Stelvio,) when my Touring was having a service. Thought the 1200 was a cracking motor, revvier and sportier than the 1400. And so much more agile.

Could be a hard choice. The Stelvio is the more practical ride. The 1400 roll-on addictive.
Buy both!Wink


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Posted By: hughguzzi
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2019 at 17:40
If only I could afford it I would !! Tongue


Posted By: hughguzzi
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2019 at 17:11
Been giving this some serious thought for a while and as much as I love the look of the California - its too hard to justify the price / usefulness / resale equation. I go touring every summer and am leaning back towards a Stelvio 1200 for practicality - probably going to bid on one very soon. Not Ridden one yet though but probably worth a punt, Ive read good things about 2011/12 onwards if the cams have been done as they rev lower for the power ? Luggage carrying is a big factor and visibility for every day riding.
Hard to know how much to bid up to as there are not many for sale !! 
 


Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2019 at 20:49
Just make sure the cams have been rollerised, not just changed.

But I wasn't aware of any differences in performance in the 8 valve engines.


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Posted By: hughguzzi
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 19:29
Stelvio 1200 considering bidding on -  Is 29k miles too late to have done the roller conversion for a 2013 bike  its done 31k miles now can see the black has worn off part of the followers - I have read that 2013 bike should be a factory rollerised top end ? but that the last of the flatters had a much better set up although still need converting. presumably if the cams look smooth and the followers look smooth it should be ok ? 




Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 20:03
Guzzi had three attempts to get the flat tappets to work.

The forst were far too soft and most failed quickly. The second version was only marginally better.
The third variation had a different profile and were harder. These did last much better, but there were still a few failures.

According to Guzzi all engines were rollerised during 2012, but that's the manufacturing date, and many older models were in shops not sold.

So when you say it's a 2013 bike, is that the date of manufacture or first registration?


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Posted By: hughguzzi
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2019 at 17:29
Must be date of reg Brian because the guy has changed the cams/followers out for rollers at 29k miles, pics show the followers with up to half of the black surface changed to shiny but cams look ok - so could be not much has gone round the engine. - As you say a later version of flats so lasted better ?  
I have read that the black surface is the DLC (diamond like coating) and if this is gone then it has been pumped around the engine poss wearing big ends etc.  Other experts have said this has only gone shiny but surface still intact and should be fine. Seems you can find whatever truth you are looking for ! 
Such a shame Guzzi cock things up like this as the bikes are so addictive.
Just got back on my Griso 1100 after an ECU change and electricery overhaul and it all seems to to be running well. - Forgot how great it was to ride with that Termi. 




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