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Topic: Armour, clothes and all that...
Posted By: Jalfrezi
Subject: Armour, clothes and all that...
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 19:31
I'm in need of some new bike gear, and somewhat bewildered by what's available, so would be good to hear what you buy and wear to stay warm/cool, dry and reasonably protected.

Thinks I struggle with:
- I don't like wearing bike gear, as I find it constrictive, and heavy.  In the winter I wrap up warm, and then roast whilst visiting shops etc.
- I cannot see me in leather ever!  So, how to minimise damage to myself in the evnt of a mishap?
- Related to the last point, armour.  I have some in my old jacket that needs replacing, and I'm pretty sure that minimised damage in my recent fall, apart from the hip armour that I didn't have.  But what is good, and bad.
- Cost.  When looking at new gear the prices vary wildly.  I cannot see that £1100 plus for a jacket would ever make sense to me, but how much does one have to pay for good kit. 

Probably more too, but don't want to bang on to much.  I'll just say that my bike is my only means of transport, so would be good to have sensible solutions for commuting, longer journeys, and different weather.




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Posted By: red leader one
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 19:34
Buy the best you can afford.


Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 19:50
Unfortunately price doesn't always mean quality.


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Posted By: Jim Mac
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 20:28
I have a Hein Gericke Tuareg jacket, with goretex liner. Never beenwet And I ride all year round i Scotland.  I have Halversen trousers which are also great if a bit short from waist to crutch

I bought both second hand off Ebay but only because they were minted condition 


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Posted By: Bushymusic
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 20:40

Dainese  SANDSTORM GORE-TEX JACKET is great in my opinion..£299 which is good value for what you get, three separate layers with the gortex being the middle one which you can remove.

Just get the extra back armour.
their winter over trousers are warm too...find your size & then buy second hand as an option.


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Posted By: V7Chris
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 21:04
I don't know if they will be doing a similar deal at this year's bike show, but  I got a very good deal at last year's show on an Oxford Montreal textile jacket and trousers. Total cost with extra spine armour for less than £200. Tough, well made, comfortable (for armoured gear - I know what you mean about heavy) waterproof (so far) and warm. zip out thermal liner for the warmer weather which is essential I think. Why would you pay more? MCN good review too:
http://https://www.motorcyclenews.com/product-reviews/leathers-jackets-suits/2016/april/ride-review-oxford-montreal-jacket/" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.motorcyclenews.com/product-reviews/leathers-jackets-suits/2016/april/ride-review-oxford-montreal-jacket/



Posted By: Dave P.
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 23:13
Gloves. Over the years I've had several pairs which were advertised as being waterproof. None of them stayed that way for more than a month or two. As I ride all year round I researched on the web to find the warmest and dryest gloves I could. I finally bought a pair of HELD gloves which have lived up to the claims made for them. Two years on my hands have never been cold or wet. They cost £99.00 but have been worth every penny.
HELD "Season" Goretex glove.

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Posted By: Oldrat
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 01:21
One word

Rukka 



Bought my Rukka 2 piece suit in 2007. Despite regular use it’s still 100% waterproof and in reasonable nick. Everything works as it should. As for value for money, I’d be on my fourth or fifth with another make.


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2017 BMW R1200 GSA


Posted By: Oldrat
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 01:24
And don’t forget that any Goretex lined glove will leak if you use heated grips, the heat changes the fabric pore size allowing water molecules in.

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1976 "Zagato" Gootsi cafe racer
1980 LM 2, Coburn and Hughes.
2017 BMW R1200 GSA


Posted By: Dave P.
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 07:44
Originally posted by Oldrat Oldrat wrote:

And don’t forget that any Goretex lined glove will leak if you use heated grips, the heat changes the fabric pore size allowing water molecules in.
I didn't know that! Collective wisdom, good stuff.

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TO LIVE OUTSIDE THE LAW YOU MUST BE HONEST.

1971 V7 Special. 1972 850GT.
1970 T120 Bonnie. 2009 500 Bullet.


Posted By: Bushymusic
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 08:21
Originally posted by Oldrat Oldrat wrote:

And don’t forget that any Goretex lined glove will leak if you use heated grips, the heat changes the fabric pore size allowing water molecules in.

I didn't know that either....very handy info....lol  (best I could do...)


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Black and gold Le Mans mk2 1981
850 Le Mans 1977

when I'm not sitting on my hands we're a work in progress.


Posted By: rbt1548
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 08:24
Originally posted by Brian UK Brian UK wrote:

Unfortunately price doesn't always mean quality.
 
Very true, have you seen the price of the new BMW bikes?
 
I have a YOKO jacket and trousers, which are great. I believe they were something to do with Yamaha at one point and they were/are made in Finland. I have had them over 10 years and they are still waterproof, except of course the outside pockets, which I believe is a problem with most Goretex gear.
 
They were a ridiculous price new, but like Jim Mac I bided my time and got a nearly new set on ebay.


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Posted By: Tarquin
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 09:09
My replacement set will be Rukka.

The suit I want is an outrageous £1580 new BUT I know what size I need for Jacket and Trousers and I'm currently scouring the ads on Ebay and Gumtree for a used but almost new set.


There are plenty of Born again Bikers out there who have " All the Gear and Nee idea" and subsequently sell their new bike and gear at a knock down price when they realise it's not for them.


I'm confident that I will get exactly the almost new Rukka suit that I want for about £700 which although still a large outlay is for me worthwhile especially when touring abroad.

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Posted By: Jalfrezi
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 09:14
Thanks for the comments so far, going to the local bike shop to look at options, including those suggested here.  The idea of buying a nearly new Rukka (or similar) may work. 


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Posted By: Loopian
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 10:01
I’ve done exactly what Tarquin is going to do regards Rukka and for the last 18 months have been very pleased with my Rukka jacket from eBay, just check your sizes at a store first.
Cheers Ian


Posted By: Bushymusic
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 10:21
Originally posted by Oldrat Oldrat wrote:

And don’t forget that any Goretex lined glove will leak if you use heated grips, the heat changes the fabric pore size allowing water molecules in.

And as that logic goes....On these days when it really pisses down with rain & it runs down your sleeves and still gets in to your Gortex gloves by "running in from the top" because you forgot to tuck the gloves in...you can put your heated grips on ....expand the Vortex to allow water to pass...and dry your gloves out as you ride....Like it!!


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Black and gold Le Mans mk2 1981
850 Le Mans 1977

when I'm not sitting on my hands we're a work in progress.


Posted By: Barry
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 10:33
Just to throw an option in to the Mix - when it comes to the armour, I got hold of one of those 'armoured shirts' this year, which can go under a variety of jackets: thick, thin, waterproof, or not.  Know was the brand I went for, and I highly recommend it - quality bit of kit.

I'll likely be looking at the Held gloves this year, so thanks for that recommendation ...  although the Halvarsson's I got a year or three back didn't disappoint.


Posted By: BondEquipe
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 11:12
If you don't like walking round all day in bike kit the the Aerostich Roadcrafter is a good option. Easy on/off one piece that goes over normal kit. Goretex, Cordura, armour, pockets, vents, etc, etc. Very well made and excellent reputation.

However no stockist over here (!) and hideously expensive so you either have to holiday in the US or keep an eBay search going. Sometimes they make money & sometimes not. Hence my £900 suit cost me £160!


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Posted By: ranton_rambler
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 12:57
I prefer to wear leather jacket and trousers if the weather looks OK. If likely to rain, I swap the leather jacket for a Hein Gericke jacket. I don't know what type it is, but it's about 10 years old and has never leaked. When it starts to look dirty it gets the Nikwax Techwash treatment to clean and re-proof. A cheap pair of waterproof trousers go over the leathers and I've never got wet.
I did buy some "proper" waterproof riding trousers (Richa I think). They are nice and warm for cold weather, but not especially waterproof.


Posted By: motomike1400
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 17:25
I found that "Dane" jacket and trousers were a better fit than the Rukka equivalent. Still around £1000 but that was 600 notes less than Rukka. Having said that, my £100 Richa jacket is still going strong after 10 years...and I reproof it with Thompson's water seal (for bricks)...a bit smelly but cheap! I kept it for abusing on my enduro bike rather than bin it.



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Posted By: nab301
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 23:25
Although I haven't bought any in years, all my gear is  Hein Gericke Goretex lined . Some of it is over 10 yrs old and remains waterproof. I recently had a zip replaced in one jacket and gave it a new lease of life . I used to buy it in sales / end of line  from the branch in Newry  in Northern Ireland before they went  belly up.
I found their  cheaper sympatex  lined gear only remained waterproof  for about 18 mths especially in the trouser crotch areaShocked.   
The only problem with this older gear is the outer layer tends to soak up water  making the jacket heavy  and cold  ( while remaining waterproof Internally) The latest laminate Goretex  jackets of all manufacturers seem to have a very water repellent outer layer which has sorted this but at a cost  i'm reluctant to spend . I've recently  sorted this by buying lightweight  nylon  xxxl  clothing  which in prolonged wet spells can be left  on  over my heavy  jacket  / trousers . No more drying of motorcycle clothing needed after daily commutes  or  long  rides. 
Some interesting articles here

http://www.adventurebikerider.com/laminated-motorcycle-jacket-best/" rel="nofollow - https://www.adventurebikerider.com/laminated-motorcycle-jacket-best/



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Posted By: Jalfrezi
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 09:36
I have HG gear at the currently, but it's old, falling apart and leaks (Shelltex). 

I have now been contemplating buying summer gear with armour, reasonably loose so I can layer up in the winter (or possibly get heated undersuit), and as you suggest using a light rainsuit as required.

I really like the idea of the Aerostich mentioned earlier too. 


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'04 BMW R1150GSA
'04 KTM 640 Adventure


Posted By: MelJ
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 13:13
Rukka stuff is now made to a price in Vietnam and if you check many of the biking sites online you’ll find that there’s a general air of declining quality about it. I believe they are now trading on reputation rather than reality.

I had an Aerostich Roadcrafter for many years and it was a great bit of kit but rather outdated and basic by modern standards. Given the current exchange rate buying new isn’t really sensible for a Brit.

Halvarssons stuff seems good - some friends rate it highly - but I found the cut uncomfortable and the prices are creeping up.

This year I renewed my winter gear with Dainese Carvemaster jacket and breeks. Both Goretex, no drop liners which i really dislike, and so far I’ve been more impressed than expected. It’s warm, comfortable and dry. I don’t expect it’ll last more than 3 years but the price was reasonable at 20% off standard retail on a deal so I’m happy for now. I wear a Forcedield pro shirt short sleeve armour shirt under it rather than use the built in Back protector and shoulder armour, plus it has a chest protector too. Very comfortable and well made and the manufacturer sells these on eBay for about 60% of retail most months. Good deal I reckon.

Take note that there is some new EU regulation about marking equipment as protective coming into force and most all current gear wil fall foul of that. Could be some deals coming up.... 


Posted By: red leader one
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 16:04
http://www.msgbikegear.co.uk/collections/jackets" rel="nofollow - https://www.msgbikegear.co.uk/collections/jackets


Posted By: red leader one
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 17:05
http://spidiuk.com/products/" rel="nofollow - https://spidiuk.com/products/

I've got one of their textile two piece suits very comfy.

http://www.scottleathers.co.uk/prodpage.asp?productid=39" rel="nofollow - http://www.scottleathers.co.uk/prodpage.asp?productid=39

And also one of his but you'll need to go and see them if you can.
He wasn't far from me.
http://postimg.cc/HVPBWC78" rel="nofollow - https://postimg.cc/HVPBWC78

http://i.postimg.cc/XYnh8jjL/076.jpg" rel="nofollow - https://i.postimg.cc/XYnh8jjL/076.jpg

Yes, and the girls have been telling me for years I've got a nice bum. I know,I know


Posted By: Jalfrezi
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 09:05
Originally posted by red leader one red leader one wrote:

http://spidiuk.com/products/" rel="nofollow - https://spidiuk.com/products/

I've got one of their textile two piece suits very comfy.

http://www.scottleathers.co.uk/prodpage.asp?productid=39" rel="nofollow - http://www.scottleathers.co.uk/prodpage.asp?productid=39

And also one of his but you'll need to go and see them if you can.
He wasn't far from me.
http://postimg.cc/HVPBWC78" rel="nofollow - https://postimg.cc/HVPBWC78

http://i.postimg.cc/XYnh8jjL/076.jpg" rel="nofollow - https://i.postimg.cc/XYnh8jjL/076.jpg

Yes, and the girls have been telling me for years I've got a nice bum. I know,I know


Scott seems like a nice operation, thanks.


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'04 BMW R1150GSA
'04 KTM 640 Adventure


Posted By: Mr Grumpy
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 10:20
Have a look at this Month's Ride magazine. They have a review of textile jackets £250. The best buy was a Held 4 jacket £220.

I still wear my old Hein Gericke jacket and trousers with armour. They are about 15 years old but still in good condition. Gortex gloves are also a must for wet days. I only wear them in the colder months: in the summer it's an Aldi leather jacket, biker jeans and Dr Martens.



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