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Topic: Wanted- A bike to love and cherish
Posted By: Oldrat
Subject: Wanted- A bike to love and cherish
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2018 at 21:21
Wanted, an interesting old bike to buy with my ISA money as an investment. Somewhere ITRO £10k -35k.   Yep I’m a very lucky chap but you can’t polish a bank statement. 

I’m after something that I can adore and be proud of for a few years (so riding is optional!!) and which stands a reasonable chance of beating inflation.   To give you an idea I prefer Italian, they are easier to love! and I’ve been considering squarecase 750/900 SS Ducatis, Series1 Jotas and Guzzi Le Mans 850 or V7 or S3 but happy to look wider such as BMWs and old Harley WLCs.       

Prefer original and history/ provenance /unrestored BUT I’m open to suggestions. 

Turn that garage queen into some cash, and I guarantee to love it to bits, I’m not after a quick turn around. Happy to travel.   
Send me a private message or text/call my mobile..  Zero Seven Seven Oh Three 459 349  

Brian  


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1976 "Zagato" Gootsi cafe racer
1980 LM 2, Coburn and Hughes.
2017 BMW R1200 GSA



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Posted By: cugsy
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2018 at 10:46
brian. You're my long lost brother. Finally i found you. Theres enough there for 2 bikes.....well. I tried.  John. Wink

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Honda nc750x ...hmm - a superdream for the 21st century? ZZZZZZ But the goozi is back running..yesserii jim bob. Fun time


Posted By: Oldrat
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2018 at 11:01
A guy can’t have enough bikes Thumbs Up

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1976 "Zagato" Gootsi cafe racer
1980 LM 2, Coburn and Hughes.
2017 BMW R1200 GSA


Posted By: Dave P.
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2018 at 11:20
Have you looked here?

https://www.madeinitalymotorcycles.com/" rel="nofollow - https://www.madeinitalymotorcycles.com/

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TO LIVE OUTSIDE THE LAW YOU MUST BE HONEST.

1971 V7 Special. 1972 850GT.
1970 T120 Bonnie. 2009 500 Bullet.


Posted By: Oldrat
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2018 at 11:38
I sure have, lots of toys yummy
Thanks


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1976 "Zagato" Gootsi cafe racer
1980 LM 2, Coburn and Hughes.
2017 BMW R1200 GSA


Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2018 at 15:45
I have lots of Nigerian relatives who are always looking for money to invest for me. Well so the emails tell me.

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Brian.

Better 5 minutes late in this world than years early in the next.


Posted By: Oldrat
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2018 at 17:17
ClapThat made me laugh BrianThumbs Up

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1976 "Zagato" Gootsi cafe racer
1980 LM 2, Coburn and Hughes.
2017 BMW R1200 GSA


Posted By: kateguy
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2018 at 06:54
Mite be worth considering Z1..Z1A-B....900A4 Kawasakis also....

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Moto Guzzi Club GB.....
850 LE MANS...1 & 2....V7 Loop Frame..V7 Sport replica...Guzzi Daytona...Ducati 900ss Bevel not belt.....Laverda 3C ....and an MZ...


Posted By: johnno
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2018 at 07:52
if I had that money after a visit to the Norton factory I would buy  a brand new Norton , sound investment something to adore and if like me something to ride the wheels off.  Whatever you go for EnjoyThumbs Up

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GSXR1100 L ,Moto Guzzi 650tt/ntx.750xpa,t5 850.1100 sport,1100 sport corsa rider


Posted By: Oldrat
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2018 at 11:43
On Thursday I went to see a guy selling a lovelyold series 1 Jota- sadly it didn’t work out ...but he also had a new Norton in the garage, 400 miles and less than a year old..it’s been back to the factory twice for faults..eek!

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1976 "Zagato" Gootsi cafe racer
1980 LM 2, Coburn and Hughes.
2017 BMW R1200 GSA


Posted By: Oldrat
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2018 at 11:46
There are so many variations of the big Zed out there Kate, I get confused with them, need to do more research.

I really quite fancy the Ducati 750/900 Super Sport... Do you know of one for sale Kate wink wink LOL


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1976 "Zagato" Gootsi cafe racer
1980 LM 2, Coburn and Hughes.
2017 BMW R1200 GSA


Posted By: BobV7
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2018 at 13:16
How about a nice little BSA Goldstar, 350 or 500, doesn't matter. Fun to ride and if you break it, unlike some of those mentioned you can still fix it with a spanner and hammer. Plus they hold their money, so what's not to like?

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V7 Classic Black and gold is the best colour


Posted By: kateguy
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2018 at 16:17
Originally posted by Oldrat Oldrat wrote:

There are so many variations of the big Zed out there Kate, I get confused with them, need to do more research.

I really quite fancy the Ducati 750/900 Super Sport... Do you know of one for sale Kate wink wink LOL
Ha!...alas am not quite ready to flog the Thin Black Duke just yet....I can still start him.....!
Regarding the big Zeds....those are the ones to have.....
See..... www.classicbikes.co.uk    my place of work....the site is quite a useful archive....


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Moto Guzzi Club GB.....
850 LE MANS...1 & 2....V7 Loop Frame..V7 Sport replica...Guzzi Daytona...Ducati 900ss Bevel not belt.....Laverda 3C ....and an MZ...


Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2018 at 22:55
Originally posted by Oldrat Oldrat wrote:

On Thursday I went to see a guy selling a lovelyold series 1 Jota- sadly it didn’t work out ...but he also had a new Norton in the garage, 400 miles and less than a year old..it’s been back to the factory twice for faults..eek!

My commando, bought new, had to have a rebuilt engine and a new frame, Trigger's broom comes to mind.

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Brian.

Better 5 minutes late in this world than years early in the next.


Posted By: kateguy
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2018 at 08:41
Oddly enough....and despite unreliability issues....I think new Nortons bought secondhand at the right price....may come to be reasonable investments....judging by the reaction my mate Erica got with hers at the Big Brekkie yesterday....mind you....shes rather lovely too !
Hers is in the Manx colours.....the one to have.....


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Moto Guzzi Club GB.....
850 LE MANS...1 & 2....V7 Loop Frame..V7 Sport replica...Guzzi Daytona...Ducati 900ss Bevel not belt.....Laverda 3C ....and an MZ...


Posted By: johnno
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2018 at 13:02
Originally posted by kateguy kateguy wrote:

Oddly enough....and despite unreliability issues....I think new Nortons bought secondhand at the right price....may come to be reasonable investments....judging by the reaction my mate Erica got with hers at the Big Brekkie yesterday....mind you....shes rather lovely too !
Hers is in the Manx colours.....the one to have.....
  thats the one i want ,its only a 12 week wait for it to be built . I was so impressed with the visit to Norton factory ( workshop) Thumbs Up 

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GSXR1100 L ,Moto Guzzi 650tt/ntx.750xpa,t5 850.1100 sport,1100 sport corsa rider


Posted By: hughguzzi
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2018 at 19:57
Got to say my money would go on a late 1970's / early 1980's bevel drive Ducati 900ss black and gold or a Vincent Rapide series C if possible for that money - not just because they are handsome machines but have heritige, collectability , rideability and dont think they will ever lose value. Thumbs Up


Posted By: kateguy
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 19:39
Have a like for that...

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Moto Guzzi Club GB.....
850 LE MANS...1 & 2....V7 Loop Frame..V7 Sport replica...Guzzi Daytona...Ducati 900ss Bevel not belt.....Laverda 3C ....and an MZ...


Posted By: Oldrat
Date Posted: 30 May 2018 at 17:07



Well here is an update.  I had some offers of some wonderful machinery, for which I am very very grateful. It made for some waking up at night and research over tea!

Some advice that I kept on getting was-

Buy what you love, if it goes up in value that’s a bonus
Buy a bike made in limited numbers 
Buy original as possible

Also from a couple of different sources in the trade-
Le Mans/Jota etc, bikes of that era appeal to persons of that era, ie a shrinking customer pool when you come to sell in years to come.

So this is what I bought..
A 2001 Ducati 996 R. The R is very important!or so I found! It’s one of the most sought after modern Ducatis and in my humble opinion, one of the prettiest (not including the 750/900ss). It’s totally original, a homogolation machine with a limited run of 500 and as a bonus it was nowhere near the money being asked on fleabay.




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1976 "Zagato" Gootsi cafe racer
1980 LM 2, Coburn and Hughes.
2017 BMW R1200 GSA


Posted By: cugsy
Date Posted: 30 May 2018 at 17:36
I read that the first GSXR1100 slabby went for sale at Bonhams..? for a million squid. Would I? Maybe...would I ride it? You betchaEvil Smile

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Honda nc750x ...hmm - a superdream for the 21st century? ZZZZZZ But the goozi is back running..yesserii jim bob. Fun time


Posted By: Glawster
Date Posted: 30 May 2018 at 18:45
Good luck with that.  4 years ago I bought a 996 Biposto as they are at the bottom of the value curve.  After four months and with a slipped disc I had to admit my days of adapting to such a riding position are long gone!  I would like to have kept it, but I don't have the luxury of enough space to keep bikes I can't ride.

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1979 Guzzi T3 California
1973 Guzzi V7 Sport
1955 Guzzi Falcone Sport
2015 Triumph Tiger 800


Posted By: red leader one
Date Posted: 30 May 2018 at 19:08
Just looking at it would bring my bad back on.


Posted By: OldJohnboy
Date Posted: 30 May 2018 at 20:01
That is a beautiful machine.Clap


Posted By: Oldrat
Date Posted: 30 May 2018 at 20:15
Originally posted by red leader one red leader one wrote:

Just looking at it would bring my bad back on.

Good job that I’m not as old as your good self Wink


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1976 "Zagato" Gootsi cafe racer
1980 LM 2, Coburn and Hughes.
2017 BMW R1200 GSA


Posted By: Oldrat
Date Posted: 30 May 2018 at 20:17
Originally posted by Glawster Glawster wrote:

Good luck with that.  4 years ago I bought a 996 Biposto as they are at the bottom of the value curve.  After four months and with a slipped disc I had to admit my days of adapting to such a riding position are long gone!  I would like to have kept it, but I don't have the luxury of enough space to keep bikes I can't ride.

It’s going to be sat in me lounge and I’ll be in the comfortable fireside chair opposite it looking at it lovingly Wink


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1976 "Zagato" Gootsi cafe racer
1980 LM 2, Coburn and Hughes.
2017 BMW R1200 GSA


Posted By: BondEquipe
Date Posted: 30 May 2018 at 22:19
Lovely looking bike & I do like the wheels especially but I'm with the guys above.  I rode one in 2001 and even at that young (!) age could only manage 400yds on the road before it cricked my neck worse than any bike I've been on!  There's a reason they have low mileage!!

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Stephen
Black & Gold LM2
+ Other Bikes & Projects!


Posted By: Oldrat
Date Posted: 30 May 2018 at 22:28
Originally posted by BondEquipe BondEquipe wrote:

Lovely looking bike & I do like the wheels especially but I'm with the guys above.  I rode one in 2001 and even at that young (!) age could only manage 400yds on the road before it cricked my neck worse than any bike I've been on!  There's a reason they have low mileage!!


Ah, but I’m a 4’8” superhero with a core just like iron Wink


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1976 "Zagato" Gootsi cafe racer
1980 LM 2, Coburn and Hughes.
2017 BMW R1200 GSA


Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 30 May 2018 at 22:35
Are you a member of BUPA? LOL


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Brian.

Better 5 minutes late in this world than years early in the next.


Posted By: Oldrat
Date Posted: 31 May 2018 at 06:14
ha ha
Good thought, might need their Chiropractors 
Shocked


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1976 "Zagato" Gootsi cafe racer
1980 LM 2, Coburn and Hughes.
2017 BMW R1200 GSA


Posted By: cyclobutch
Date Posted: 31 May 2018 at 09:40

I’m not entirely convinced that buying ‘classic’ vehicles for longer term investment is such a good idea. I’m figuring that those values will only remain high as long as petrol continues to be served at service stations common enough to be in tank range, and that some other (presumably emissions) regulations hasn’t done for them. And I’m not sure we’ll not be reaching some tipping point before too long.

For sure, you would expect museum grade rarities to always be worth money. But your non matching numbers, slightly scruffy and used and enjoyed (say) Vincent, might not hold up once it’s usability has been compromised by the above.

Tell me I’m wrong – I’ve no desire to outlive the IC engine.



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Butch
V50 II - 'The Black Pearl'
T3 - 'Blue'
Eldo Loop - 'Jug'


Posted By: Oldrat
Date Posted: 31 May 2018 at 10:26
I think that you do have a point there Butch. One which I have thought long and hard about. There will be a watershed when we tip over to the majority of vehicles will use alternative fuels.


Then there will be a massive surplus of IC engines vehicles and without doubt their values will be rock bottom.

I also agree that genuine classics will always have value, just how much remains to be seen.

Other thoughts were about watching that cash sitting in a account not doing very well against the rages of inflation 
and perhaps controversially, so shhhh!!! ...
To a minor degree, the (taking a ) chance of being able to pass on said vehicles in a manner which will not attract the inheritance tax bogey man. IMHO inheritance tax is so unfair. Taxes when you earn it, when you save it, when you spend it, when you insure, when you drive, when you fly the bastid of all when you die.

Yes I am well aware of the legal obligations and how to do probate etc. But the truth is, an old motorbike is easier to squirrel away and attract less attention than money.







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1976 "Zagato" Gootsi cafe racer
1980 LM 2, Coburn and Hughes.
2017 BMW R1200 GSA


Posted By: red leader one
Date Posted: 31 May 2018 at 10:55
Originally posted by Oldrat Oldrat wrote:

Originally posted by red leader one red leader one wrote:

Just looking at it would bring my bad back on.

Good job that I’m not as old as your good self Wink


It's not age but a bad back.

I looked at one of these but my back said no.

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Posted By: rbt1548
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2018 at 08:35
Originally posted by red leader one red leader one wrote:

Just looking at it would bring my bad back on.
 
My back's ok, it's my front I worry about!
 
 
 
Beautiful machine, would have one in a minute, I'm glad you bought what 'you' wanted and to do with it what you will, when and how often you want to Clap.


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1981 T3

1965 BSA Lightning Clubman



It wisnae me, a big boy done it and ran away!

"I was so much older then; I'm younger than that now!"



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