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1975 850T Restoration

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Category: Modifications and Restorations
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Topic: 1975 850T Restoration
Posted By: Fugly
Subject: 1975 850T Restoration
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 13:42
Hi all,
As per my post in the wanted section I am now the proud owner of a 1975 850T Big smile

The bike is currently sat in a shipping yard site in Canada waiting to go on a boat to Blighty where I will pick her up and the fun will begin.

She's in great shape for her age which is mainly due to the fact that she's been sat in someones dry basement since 1980!  So a full strip  down and restoration is on the cards as time and funds permit.

So whilst she waits for the boat and her voyage I am starting to plan what I need to locate in terms of suppliers and parts.

My current thinking is:

  • Paint: 
  • Any sources for paint codes for the original brown?
  • Did I read somewhere the striping is gold leaf?
  • Any recommended paintshops for original paint jobs?
  • Seat
  • Ditch the king & Queen seat and replace with an original replica 
  • Any recommendations for this or a replica cover to get the seat retrimmed?
  • Cases, hubs etc
  • Vapour blasted any recommendations?
  • Any post blasting coating to preserve the finish?
  • Frame
  • Powder coated, any bike specialist recommendations?
  • Switchear
  • Any recommendations for refurbishing these?
OK so that's my initial thoughts, here she is (providing I have done this correctly):

 







Sorry for all the dumb questions but I can't wait to get started

Phil


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Posted By: Jerry atric
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 13:50
Congratulations. It's even got the original silencers, great


Posted By: chilly
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 13:52
Well done Phil, looks a good un.
Ray Dunkley at Leicester is your man for vapour blasting + he's a Guzzi Man, from my experience you won't need anything doing after vapour blasting or bead blasting, keeps its good looks no problem.
Good luck with the build , look forward to progress pics Wink
 
Cheers
Chill 


Posted By: Fugly
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 13:56
Hi Chilly,

I was going to try and twist your arm some more but this came up at too good a price to refuse and shipping looks like being really cheap so far, until the UK government get involved that is.

Phil


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Posted By: Fugly
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 13:58
Originally posted by chilly chilly wrote:

Well done Phil, looks a good un.
Ray Dunkley at Leicester is your man for vapour blasting + he's a Guzzi Man, from my experience you won't need anything doing after vapour blasting or bead blasting, keeps its good looks no problem.
Good luck with the build , look forward to progress pics Wink
 
Cheers
Chill 

Looking at the photos zoomed in I am not sure how sound the silencers are but will obviously know when i can see them for real.  Are the ones from Gutsibits replicas or different design?



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Posted By: jpc
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2018 at 16:04
Hi Phil, Fugly, Fugger...

Not a lot I can help you with as far as referrals since I'm in Belgium...

The best seat replica I've found is this:  http://lgccompany.it/en/seat/6055-double-seat-t3-t4-g5-sp-convert.html" rel="nofollow - http://lgccompany.it/en/seat/6055-double-seat-t3-t4-g5-sp-convert.html , but it's more Convert-like and I'm not tempted for my T3.

Source for a paint code and much more:  https://www.mgcn.nl/database/mg-kleurcodes" rel="nofollow - https://www.mgcn.nl/database/mg-kleurcodes

I'll be interested to see how you get on, hang in there !!

JP




Posted By: Dave P.
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2018 at 16:16
Hi Fugly.I had an 850T many years ago The gold lining on the tank and side panels was a metallic adhesive tape of some kind and not very impressive.
If I was going to repaint an 850T, I would have the gold lines properly painted on.Apart from that, smashin' bike.Enjoy!!

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TO LIVE OUTSIDE THE LAW YOU MUST BE HONEST.

1971 V7 Special. 1972 850GT.
1970 T120 Bonnie. 2009 500 Bullet.


Posted By: Fugly
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2018 at 16:22
Hi Dave,

Thank you, I saw a pic of a restored one and seemed to remember that the guy used gold leaf!

Will have a better idea when the old girl arrives off the boat.


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Posted By: Glawster
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2018 at 16:38
Hi Fugly,
I bought a T3 Cali and refurbished it 2 years ago.  Also just finished a V7 Sport.  Some of the guys I used...

Vapour blasting - Ray D, Leicester
Chrome Plating - Ace Plating, Birmingham
Wheel Building - Central Wheel Components, Colehill
Powder Coating - RPA Bristol
Paint - Barnham Vehicle Services near Bury St Edmonds.

For parts I find Stein Dinse hard to beat.  The cheapest and very good service.
I look forward to the bike arriving.  Please keep a regular blog on this forum of your progress.  Always interesting to follow a good rebuild.

Cheers,
Derek


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1979 Guzzi T3 California
1973 Guzzi V7 Sport
1955 Guzzi Falcone Sport
2015 Triumph Tiger 800


Posted By: Mike H
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2018 at 18:55
Originally posted by Dave P. Dave P. wrote:

Hi Fugly.I had an 850T many years ago The gold lining on the tank and side panels was a metallic adhesive tape of some kind and not very impressive.
If I was going to repaint an 850T, I would have the gold lines properly painted on.Apart from that, smashin' bike.Enjoy!!

I am reminded of years ago meeting someone who'd bought a limited edition Bee-Em boxer, silver with like a rainbow design of graduated blue stripes, turned out they were stick-on plastic! Shocked

He said, all that money and they're stick-on stripes. Hadn't twigged it until after he'd bought the bike!




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Posted By: theone&onlymin
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2018 at 19:21
Powder coating over in Luton. I have been using Markell for years. Great service.

Cheers
Min


Posted By: Fugly
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2018 at 11:28
OK boys and girls, I've received notification and an invoice to confirm the arrival of my 850T at Tilbury.

Paperwork completed invoice paid and hopefully picking up next week once all the paperwork has been processed.

Starting to feel excited LOL


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Posted By: chilly
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2018 at 17:45
Clap  Thumbs Up


Posted By: Mike H
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2018 at 23:52
Big smile

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"Chicken nuggets don't dance on a Tuesday."


Posted By: Fugly
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2018 at 16:03
OK so today was the day I went to Tilbury to pick up my 850T Smile

However, on arrival I was advised that the bike had sustained some damage in transit.

It transpires the packing and protection that I paid for with the shipping company was ignored and the bike was wrapped with some corrugated card which was held in place by cling film!  Lets just say that we are in discussion right now so won't name and shame just yet.

In fairness, given the absolutely crap job they did of packing the bike for transit I am surprised the damage isn't worse.  The bike has sustained a smashed rear light unit including back plate and one of the "Aprilia" Indicators which I believe are as rare as rocking horse poo, so if anyone has a spare lens and feels like helping out a restoration project let me know.

Anyway here she is, warts and all.

There were also a couple of interesting cars that came over as well



Can't wait to get started.





















Am not going to be able to start for a few weeks due to family commitments but she is in great shape for 43 years old and hopefully won't be too many nasty surprises.

Will update this thread as I go.

First step will be to photograph every nook and cranny and all cable runs and routing for when it goes back together.

But you can expect lots of dumb half-arsed questions to come.



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Posted By: iansoady
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2018 at 17:09
That looks good - amazing it didn't sustain more damage!


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Ian
1982 V50
1952 Norton ES2


Posted By: cyclobutch
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2018 at 17:40
I might have a NOS rear light unit that will replace that, I'd need to see some more pics to be sure it is a match.

If you PM me your email address I'll send you some pics direct and you can see what you think (I can't be bothered with all the wretched resizing that these boards require).  


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Butch
V50 II - 'The Black Pearl'
T3 - 'Blue'
Eldo Loop - 'Jug'


Posted By: George S
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2018 at 19:01
Smart looking bike, lucky you didn't have more damage looking at so called packaging. I am beginning to feel the need to own a t3. Look forward forward to following restoration 

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George


Posted By: Mike H
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2018 at 19:36
Good grief! Shocked

Notwithstanding, looks great. Thumbs Up




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"Chicken nuggets don't dance on a Tuesday."


Posted By: cugsy
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2018 at 19:40
I like those 850's. Maybe someday...like the Trident, Commando, Jota etc...

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Posted By: Jimble
Date Posted: 04 May 2018 at 16:59
Had to have my T3 tank and side panels resprayed about 5 years ago. 
Went to my local garage/body shop for the spraying (black) and got the pinstripes made up as transfers by The Image Works at 4 Merlin Way, Stanton by Dale, Ilkeston DE7 4RA. 
Took the tank and side panels over there and they spec'd it up from there. Cost me about £30 at the time.
I was very happy with the results, but I'm not looking for absolute originality.
Hope this may help and good luck with the recommissioning.

Mike



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Never pat a burning dog.


Posted By: exsmokingbiker
Date Posted: 04 May 2018 at 17:52
https://www.facebook.com/BikeAquaBlasting/photos/a.1003011439720629.1073741875.607969655891478/1003211869700586/?type=3&theater" rel="nofollow - https://www.facebook.com/BikeAquaBlasting/photos/a.1003011439720629.1073741875.607969655891478/1003211869700586/?type=3&theater



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Posted By: Fugly
Date Posted: 08 May 2018 at 11:32
Originally posted by exsmokingbiker exsmokingbiker wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/BikeAquaBlasting/photos/a.1003011439720629.1073741875.607969655891478/1003211869700586/?type=3&theater" rel="nofollow - https://www.facebook.com/BikeAquaBlasting/photos/a.1003011439720629.1073741875.607969655891478/1003211869700586/?type=3&theater


Thanks for this.  I'm liking your work LOL, will hopefully start pulling her apart at the end of the month and will then be in contact.

I am thinking of leaving the engine and gearbox till last after getting the rolling chassis back together due to lack of space to work so trying to do it in sections.


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Growing old is compulsory, growing up is optional


Posted By: Fugly
Date Posted: 08 May 2018 at 11:44
Hi all,

Will be sending the tank and side panels off for painting soon and am wondering what other colour options were available for an 850T in 1974 (my 75 T was made in 74).

The original is brown and whilst sense would be to keep it in brown I have to say it's not a great colour so got thinking about other colours it was sold in that would be age correct.

I have seen pictures of a metallic blue and red but don't know if they are genuine and period correct.

If anyone has any advice on where to find out I would be most grateful.

Cheers 

Fugly


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Growing old is compulsory, growing up is optional


Posted By: Dave P.
Date Posted: 08 May 2018 at 15:33
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/moto%20guzzi/moto_guzzi_850t%2073.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/moto%20guzzi/moto_guzzi_850t%2073.htm

Mine was GREEN

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TO LIVE OUTSIDE THE LAW YOU MUST BE HONEST.

1971 V7 Special. 1972 850GT.
1970 T120 Bonnie. 2009 500 Bullet.


Posted By: doug123
Date Posted: 08 May 2018 at 21:49
I might have an indicator lens. Pm me an email address and I will send a pic of what I have to see if it's the same.



Posted By: Fugly
Date Posted: 09 May 2018 at 09:14
Originally posted by doug123 doug123 wrote:

I might have an indicator lens. Pm me an email address and I will send a pic of what I have to see if it's the same.


Hi Doug,

I've found one in Italy which has now arrived, but thanks a lot.


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Posted By: Fugly
Date Posted: 09 May 2018 at 09:17
Originally posted by Dave P. Dave P. wrote:

http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/moto%20guzzi/moto_guzzi_850t%2073.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/moto%20guzzi/moto_guzzi_850t%2073.htm

Mine was GREEN

Hi Dave,

Thank for this, the green looks good as does the red, just need to find the paint codes for these colours.

Any ideas where I can fine them?

Regards

Phil


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Growing old is compulsory, growing up is optional


Posted By: Barry
Date Posted: 09 May 2018 at 09:46
Originally posted by Fugly Fugly wrote:

paint codes for these colours.

Any ideas where I can fine them?



You could search a well-known, popular and informative Guzzi owner/rider forum for the information...

http://www.guzziriders.org/paint-codes_topic989.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.guzziriders.org/paint-codes_topic989.html

Going to edit the title for this thread? It's a 'T', right?


Posted By: SurreyFan
Date Posted: 10 May 2018 at 11:48
They called that packing ???!! Still bike looks marvellous. I need me one of them.

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Posted By: Jerry atric
Date Posted: 10 May 2018 at 11:56
It reminded me of the packing they did on Guy Martin's Enfield to put it on the train in India


Posted By: SurreyFan
Date Posted: 10 May 2018 at 12:24
Only not quite as robust........(!)

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Spada NT, Monza,750T, T100R Daytona (oops, that one's a Triumph !)


Posted By: Jerry atric
Date Posted: 10 May 2018 at 18:07
exactly


Posted By: Fugly
Date Posted: 11 May 2018 at 09:07
[/QUOTE] 

Going to edit the title for this thread? It's a 'T', right?
[/QUOTE]

Hi Barry,

If you could please edit the title, I tried to but couldn't finds where to do it.

It is indeed an 850T


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Growing old is compulsory, growing up is optional


Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 11 May 2018 at 11:31
If you want to change the title, just go to your first post, click on edit under post options, then you will see the title at the top of the box and you can edit it.


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Better 5 minutes late in this world than years early in the next.


Posted By: Fugly
Date Posted: 11 May 2018 at 11:50
Cheers Brian

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Growing old is compulsory, growing up is optional


Posted By: ct981
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2018 at 15:03
Hi

I have just purchased and received yesterday from Italy a Guzzi 850 T in Brown as well, looks like i have a similar amount of work as you.
I too am going to repaint mine but was looking at the colour options.
I looked at the Red (favourite choice) i understand it to be Fiat Vivid Red code 152) but was surprised it isnt a metallic finish ie solid. Also the gold lines i also thought they were gold foil or similar.

Very keen to see  how your bike progresses as being in near the same condition at the same time.

Good Luck

 


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ct981


Posted By: red leader one
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2018 at 21:22
Red seems to suit Guzzi's


Posted By: Fugly
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2018 at 08:22
I haven't actually started stripping  mine as yet (bloody Aprilia being a PITA and work getting the way) but will be on it very soon.

I think I have settled on the Fiat vivid Red (152) for mine.

Get a thread started on your project and we can compare notes as we go.


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Posted By: ct981
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2018 at 09:30
Yes i will do that, going to start my strip down this weekend, hoping as it runs seemingly fine to just remove what is needed and leave the rest alone, just finishing a Bimota resto and do not want a garage full of parts again.
But time will tell.


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ct981



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