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Too tall for LeMans 1, 11 or 111?

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Topic: Too tall for LeMans 1, 11 or 111?
Posted By: lane653
Subject: Too tall for LeMans 1, 11 or 111?
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2018 at 17:20
Hello,
    I am beginning a search for a gen 1, 11 or possibly Mark 111 LeMans.  Missed an opportunity years ago to buy a Mark 11 as seller decided to sell to his brother.  Haven't forgotten that bike and after several bikes over the years, I am beginning to look for a LeMans.
    A primary concern I have is knee/upper shin contact with the cylinder heads as I am 6'3'' tall. I'm not too excited about splaying my knees outside the heads, but would love to hear from 6 foot plus LeMans riders about their experiences.
   If I end up getting one, I will need help with setting up the carbs for 7,000 ft elevation.
   THANKS MUCH.
                                                                                                     Lane


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Posted By: cyclobutch
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2018 at 17:32
To fit a LM well you need to be slightly disproportionate. Short legs, long body and arms. Outside of that you will struggle somewhere or another ergonomically. The enthusiasm of youth can make up for that to a larger degree. On a mk II – if it still has the fairing lowers in place you will have your knees outside of the fairing.

I’m 5’11’’ (or at least was once) and carry much of my height in my legs and I still managed to run my mk II down to Paul Ricard for a weekend two up. No way would I do that now.



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Butch


Posted By: lane653
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2018 at 17:44
Thanks much for your experiences--I'm certainly not short in the legs though I do have long arms.  Oh well. . .
                                                                                 Lane


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Posted By: Ken-Guzzibear
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2018 at 18:58
6ft 1 me could ride the mk 1 but the V1 Le Mans was real good BUT I have a short inseam long body

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Posted By: lane653
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2018 at 19:32
Hey Ken,
    Thanks much for the feedback--I have a long inseam and a shorter body!


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Posted By: lane653
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2018 at 19:34
I'm wondering if the Daytona would be any better?

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Posted By: Raeburn
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2018 at 20:39
Don't bother, they are too small......I had adjustable bars but there's not much you can do about the distance between the seat and footpegs.

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Posted By: Dukedesmo
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2018 at 21:30
I have a LM2, now converted to LM1 dynamics.

I'm 6ft with 32" leg and when it had the full LM2 fairings my knees were in permanent contact with the fairing backs/bump pads.

With the fairings off my knees make contact with the heads unless I sat further back but I have since fitted more rearset pegs which take my knees slightly further back (but also higher so more tightly bent and therefore even more uncomfortable) but this year I had a spare seat modified - seat has been raised by 30mm and the passenger hump/arse stop moved backwards. This gives me a little more room and reduces (slightly) the amount of knee bend, however it's still quite extreme.

But it does mean that if I sit back a little further (luckily I've got long arms) then my knees only make occasional contact with the heads (don't ride in shorts!).

In short I've made an uncomfortable bike slightly less uncomfortable, your extra 3" height won't help but if you really want it you'll make do.

I also have a Ducati 916 which is generally considered a very uncomfortable bike, but it's like an armchair compared to the Le Mans.

As an aside the chap (in Italy) that I bought the bike from was the ideal LM build - short legs/long arms - I think that, like many Italian cars of the day, they were made for a certain build that was quite common in Italy at that time...


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Le Mans 2
Ducati 916

Ducati M900


Posted By: lane653
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 00:46
Thanks Dukedesmo for sharing your experiences, modifications, humorous comparison to the 916, and the characteristic body type that the LeMans was designed for.
   And thanks all for you thoughts and experiences.  Great forum!


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Posted By: magwa
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 12:41
It will look like a moped growing up your aspidistra! I'm 6'02, 15 stone, xxxl hands size (uk) 12 feet.
One of the reasons for selling my guzzi lemans mkIII was just that
the modern carc models are great for us normal people


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Magwa
2008 motoguzzisport
1986 Morgan 4/4
1968 mobylette


Posted By: cyclobutch
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 13:06
Hmmmmm. I felt like a jockey perched on my Griso, even with a Buell footrest lowering kit fitted.

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Posted By: Dave P.
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 13:08
Slightly off topic but related.
I wondered about the practicality of getting a Stelvio for touring a few years back but like BMW GS models,it was just too tall in the saddle.I'm a mere five feet nine and a half inches tall and the old girl is about five feet two.I could get on it be she couldn't.For us, the current crop of tourers are just too tall.She can, only with some difficulty, get on and off the Loop models.

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1971 V7 Special. 1972 850GT.
1970 T120 Bonnie. 2009 500 Bullet.


Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 14:11
Do you not carry a stepladder?

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Better 5 minutes late in this world than years early in the next.


Posted By: magwa
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 14:27
Originally posted by Dave P. Dave P. wrote:

Slightly off topic but related.
I wondered about the practicality of getting a Stelvio for touring a few years back but like BMW GS models,it was just too tall in the saddle.I'm a mere five feet nine and a half inches tall and the old girl is about five feet two.I could get on it be she couldn't.For us, the current crop of tourers are just too tall.She can, only with some difficulty, get on and off the Loop models.


You need a CARC model, eg brevia sport but notherwise stelvio
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Nice low seat, you sit in it.

bars can be adjusted to suit.( rolled forward or backward)

The stelvio is great if your 6'00 " plus

love mine 1200 sport but for £ reasons it's up for sale   

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Magwa
2008 motoguzzisport
1986 Morgan 4/4
1968 mobylette


Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 14:30
The Stelvio is a CARC model.

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Brian.

Better 5 minutes late in this world than years early in the next.


Posted By: magwa
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 14:41
Originally posted by Brian UK Brian UK wrote:


The Stelvio is a CARC model.

Yes
but too tall for most   

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Magwa
2008 motoguzzisport
1986 Morgan 4/4
1968 mobylette


Posted By: cyclobutch
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 15:08
BTW - Although someone managed to fit in a Loop reference further above on this thread, do we need an Admin to move this to the big block section?

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Butch


Posted By: lane653
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 17:09
Thanks all--especially for mentioning the later models (CARC) which fit taller riders better.  As I just started looking at newer models yesterday, I am ignorant of these models.  Could someone define CARC?  I starting looking at the V11's last night and was sorry to see they are again sized for short legs, long torso like earlier models.  I will begin looking at the carc models you guys mentioned.  Thanks much.

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Posted By: Mike H
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 17:50
Cardano Reattivo Compatto


http://www.ashonbikes.com/moto_guzzi_carc" rel="nofollow - http://www.ashonbikes.com/moto_guzzi_carc


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Posted By: kateguy
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 19:52
The 3s are taller....higher seat if memory serves and 4s n 5s generally suit taller people... longer headstocks...that said my pal Trev (6ft 2 ) has a Mk 1...may have rearsets...l've ridden the bike but I forget....he has no issues with it anyway....
Comparing the earlier Tontis with spines n carcs is like chalk and cheese....we have Mk1 n 2 Les Mans...a 1000s and I recently sold my Daytona....an awesome motor let down by chassis and running gear.....the old uns for us...everyday of the week....and twice on sundays....

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850 LE MANS...1 & 2....V7 Loop Frame..V7 Sport replica...Guzzi Daytona...Ducati 900ss Bevel not belt.....Laverda 3C ....and an MZ...


Posted By: v7john
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 20:33
If I were you, I would give any bike you fancy a tryout. You might be surprised. I'm 6ft 4in with a 35in inside leg and, although I don't have a LeMans I do manage to wrap myself around my V7Sport.



I haven't got a photo of me with my feet on the V7Sport's pegs but have for my old, much missed S3.



I don't have any problem with the knee to cylinder head interface but there's no way I could carry a pillion. It might all come down to just how flexible you are!

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1972 V7Sport "The Racing Rhino".
1972 V7 700cc "The Fire Bike".

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Posted By: kateguy
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 17:05
Have a like for that John....

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Moto Guzzi Club GB.....
850 LE MANS...1 & 2....V7 Loop Frame..V7 Sport replica...Guzzi Daytona...Ducati 900ss Bevel not belt.....Laverda 3C ....and an MZ...


Posted By: lane653
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 17:07
Thanks Mike H for the CARC article. Kateguy, I appreciate your thoughts on the older models which might work for me and your friend's experience with the Mk 1.  V7John, thanks for the photos--encouraging.  And I have had the same though about just trying models I'm interested in--I will have to travel to do that as Flagstaff is a smaller community--but Phoenix is 140 miles away and is a huge metro area.  Love the photos of your V7's--what beautiful bikes (that seem to fit you well).  Great technical blog.
   Again, thanks all.  I'm impressed with the responses--what a great community.
                                                                                                    Lane


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