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Topic: spain in june..so many questions
Posted By: cugsy
Subject: spain in june..so many questions
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2018 at 16:07
OK, after 2 years of trying to get away and go to spain on the bike I might finally be doing it. Wifey has a cruise to go on and I'm playing my joker card.  Me, the bike and a tent.
 First question - which bike? I'd prefer the old cali but the new honda NC 750 might just be more reliable and a saner choice (Honda european cover).  And being a cheapskate I'm wondering which route to take. I could do the easy thing and cough up for the ferry to Santander and ride the pyrenees and up to Geneva.  Then again, is it cheaper to get the chunnel and ride to southern france along the pyrenees and off to geneva.  
  I've probably got 7-9 days and don't want to waste them looking at motorways. Camping suits me and I've got the kit. But, do my old bones need a hotel every now and then ? Bit of both? Last week in june would be about right with the weather not too hot and hopefully the passes open....might even be dry riding to southampton.
 Is it a better experience to ride through france and not sit on a boat for over a day? or do I get a head start and bite the £200 bullet for the ferry to be dropped off in spain?  I could just wing it and bugger off to dover..see where the mood takes me?


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Honda nc750x ...hmm - a superdream for the 21st century? ZZZZZZ But the goozi is back running..yesserii jim bob. Fun time



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Posted By: Dave P.
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2018 at 16:26
I'm confused, you mention riding the Pyrenees then up to Geneva.So you're going to Switzerland too??

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1971 V7 Special. 1972 850GT.
1970 T120 Bonnie. 2009 500 Bullet.


Posted By: cugsy
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2018 at 16:47
Sorry. Spain pyrenees and up to alps via chamonix and around lake geneva and home

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Honda nc750x ...hmm - a superdream for the 21st century? ZZZZZZ But the goozi is back running..yesserii jim bob. Fun time


Posted By: Dave P.
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2018 at 17:02
If you ride down to the Pyrenees through France, do the length of the Pyrenes then back across to the Alps and on to Geneva you'll have to be motoring to pack it all into your time schedule.I've done the Pyrenees by the boat to Santander route and overland.If you want to maximise your riding time in the mountains and across Languedoc towards the Alps then I reckon the boat is the best option.It may be costly but it will reduce your fuel bill and accommodation costs even though you intend to camp.
You'll also arrive in Spain warm and dry.It rains a lot in Northern and Central France !!
Whichever way you do it, enjoy.

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TO LIVE OUTSIDE THE LAW YOU MUST BE HONEST.

1971 V7 Special. 1972 850GT.
1970 T120 Bonnie. 2009 500 Bullet.


Posted By: cugsy
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2018 at 18:33
Yep - it's a balance twixt ferry cost and legging down to the pyrenees from the chunnel. Ferry then...

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Honda nc750x ...hmm - a superdream for the 21st century? ZZZZZZ But the goozi is back running..yesserii jim bob. Fun time


Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2018 at 21:19
Wow, that's one hell of a journey. Be careful not to over estimate the distance you can do in a day on those small mountain roads.
Campsites are plentiful and generally cheap, but you might need a bit of time at the end of the day to find one with space though in France most towns have a municipal site which rarely fill up, and are good and cheap. Don't know Spain.


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Posted By: Dave P.
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2018 at 21:38
As Brian says, campsites in France are plentiful.Spain is rather different, unless you're in the mountains campsites are comparatively rare.What the Spanish call campsites we would call caravan sites or perhaps holiday parks.As you will be in the Pyrenees you shouldn't have a problem.

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TO LIVE OUTSIDE THE LAW YOU MUST BE HONEST.

1971 V7 Special. 1972 850GT.
1970 T120 Bonnie. 2009 500 Bullet.


Posted By: V7Chris
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 07:28
Originally posted by Dave P. Dave P. wrote:

If you ride down to the Pyrenees through France, do the length of the Pyrenes then back across to the Alps and on to Geneva you'll have to be motoring to pack it all into your time schedule.I've done the Pyrenees by the boat to Santander route and overland.If you want to maximise your riding time in the mountains and across Languedoc towards the Alps then I reckon the boat is the best option.It may be costly but it will reduce your fuel bill and accommodation costs even though you intend to camp.
You'll also arrive in Spain warm and dry.It rains a lot in Northern and Central France !!
Whichever way you do it, enjoy.

Having done both, I agree with Dave if you can afford it, take the long ferry outwards to Santander and a short crossing back to Dover


Posted By: Tarquin
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 09:32
Sounds a lovely trip Cugsy.

My main advice to anyone is , don't be overly ambitious as to how much riding that you think you can comfortably achieve in any given day or in total.

Your trip is certainly feasible but it needs to be at a pace that is enjoyable and relaxing if you are going to get the best out of it.

Enjoy it, take photos and let's see where you went

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Posted By: cyclobutch
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 10:26
I'd ferry down one-way to Bilbao or Santander. Then do some wriggly bits in Spain before riding North for Calais along whatever routes you fancy. Take the tent regardless and then if you do just fancy a hotel one or two night just book in wherever you can find something. Winging it leads to more fun and better stories when you get back. I'd tour the old Guzzi if it was serviced and running right, but don't quote me on that.

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Butch
V50 II - 'The Black Pearl'
T3 - 'Blue'
Eldo Loop - 'Jug'


Posted By: iansoady
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 10:36
It's a while since I've done a long trip in France but in a week I used to go to either the Alps or the Pyrenees but not both. The usual plan would be leave work on Friday afternoon and make my way down to Portsmouth for the overnight ferry (usually to Cherbourg). Up early and then follow a more-or less straight line using only N and D roads either towards Pau (Pyrenees) or Bourg-en-Bresse (Alps).  I would reckon on no more than 250 miles per day on my "unreliable" Norton Commando - but I would be staying in small hotels (Logis de France being favourite) rather than camping so that saves on time as well as generally ensuring a decent dinner and a good night's sleep!

A couple of days in the chosen mountain region then returning by a similar route to the outgoing for the Saturday night return ferry to Portsmouth, getting home (Brum) by lunchtime on the Sunday.

I've also done the out to Santander / Bilbao and return from northern France route but much prefer France to Spain. I enjoy riding through rural France almost as much as the mountains TBH.

Having visited both several times I do prefer the Pyrenees to the Alps but the latter are of course more dramatic. Early June should see all passes open.

In the Pyrenees I liked to follow the Tour de France passes - Aubisque, Tourmalet, Peyresourde etc. In the Alps, the Col d'Iseran is spectacular and can be combined with the Telegraphe, Galibier, Croix de Fer etc for a dramatic round trip.

I always use the IGN (French Ordnance Survey) 1:1,000,000 map which is excellent for a good overview of where you are and has enough detail for the roads you need for a longish trip.


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Posted By: Dave P.
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 10:59
This thread is giving me itchy feet

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TO LIVE OUTSIDE THE LAW YOU MUST BE HONEST.

1971 V7 Special. 1972 850GT.
1970 T120 Bonnie. 2009 500 Bullet.


Posted By: V7Chris
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 11:02
Originally posted by Dave P. Dave P. wrote:

This thread is giving me itchy feet

+1


Posted By: Dave P.
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 11:08
This year it's replacement windows and re-rendering the house.No major trips.

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TO LIVE OUTSIDE THE LAW YOU MUST BE HONEST.

1971 V7 Special. 1972 850GT.
1970 T120 Bonnie. 2009 500 Bullet.


Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 13:43
Oh, and please note, the French Police Nationale and Gendarmerie have been ordered to crack down on speeding and road safety in general, just be aware.
And theoretically any fines from speed cameras in Europe can now be enforced in the UK.

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Brian.

Better 5 minutes late in this world than years early in the next.


Posted By: iansoady
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 14:07
All the more reason to stick to the D roads. You're much less likely to be clocked there.

The worst roads are the RNs that more or less parallel the autoroutes as they tend to have heavy goods traffic and are heavily policed.


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Ian
1982 V50
1952 Norton ES2


Posted By: Mike H
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 15:20
Originally posted by Dave P. Dave P. wrote:

This year it's replacement windows and re-rendering the house.No major trips.

Oh crud. Ouch




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Posted By: cyclobutch
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 15:52
Originally posted by Brian UK Brian UK wrote:

Oh, and please note, the French Police Nationale and Gendarmerie have been ordered to crack down on speeding and road safety in general, just be aware.
And theoretically any fines from speed cameras in Europe can now be enforced in the UK.

It has been some years since France was a speeding motorcyclists paradise. By some irony, after many years of enjoying the freedom of the road out there I finally got pulled rolling a stop line just a couple of years back. Whilst I felt it was probably arguable; not having any insurance certificate with me I was advised they would be pleased to impound my bike unless I could find it in my heart to stump up the readies - some bit North of 100 Euro. Ouch.

On the original question I have also taken the Motorail down to Livorno and then ridden back in a long weekend. The train is a real hoot - but horrible money.  


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Butch
V50 II - 'The Black Pearl'
T3 - 'Blue'
Eldo Loop - 'Jug'


Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 17:18
I know several people who have been done for rolling a stop line. You are not alone. I heard a report once of the Gendarmes setting up a picnic table by a stop line where the sign was difficult to see.
But yes they were charged with improving the accident statistics by Sarkozy, so a few years back.


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Brian.

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Posted By: cugsy
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 17:26
Ha..so many answers!  I'm not likely to speed on either a 20 year old clonker of a guzzi am or the 750 superdream I bought! And I used to despatch - did it for 6 years and got used to 10 hours in the saddle. Not that I'm planning to rush everywhere.  I'll take the ferry - despite my wallet reaching for my throat.  But the wife has her cruise and I think I have to do it now before my zimmer turns up.
   I've had a play with the maps and it comes to about 3000km (less than 2000 miles) from santander to geneva via the pyrenees and then to calais or some other ferry. That includes the travel from home to southampton and back.....sort off.  My spanish ..eet ees rusty and my french non existent!  I'll be travelling light - which according to the wife means socks ,undies and deoderant!  

Habitacion por el noche por favor senor.....how much? Como mucho? Feck....


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Honda nc750x ...hmm - a superdream for the 21st century? ZZZZZZ But the goozi is back running..yesserii jim bob. Fun time


Posted By: Tarquin
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 17:52
2000 miles in that timescale will be fine.

As for underpants based on an eight day trip 2 pairs will suffice.

4 days from each pair is "De Rigeur".

Day 1 Wear normally

Day 2 Wear back to front

Day 3 Turn inside out and wear in correct orientation

Day 4 Wear back to front.



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California 111 70th Anniversary Model, California 1100i 75th Anniversary Model, Honda ST1300


“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


Posted By: cugsy
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 18:09
Hmm, I might be screwed here. Seems you can't travel on 't ferry without booking a cabin ....an extra £100 or so. I was hoping to sleep in a lifeboat or by the engine for nowtConfused

rethink time


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Honda nc750x ...hmm - a superdream for the 21st century? ZZZZZZ But the goozi is back running..yesserii jim bob. Fun time


Posted By: Glawster
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 21:15
I like to do a European summer trip, usually I manage to combine with a couple of business meetings in Italy and Belgium.  For what it's worth my advice would be..
 - Don't overdo the distance.  I know I enjoy about 6 hours a day in the saddle.  More than that just isn't fun.  It was no problem to do huge distances on a Le Mans 40 years ago, but sadly not any longer.
 - Plan your distances on Google Maps.  Of course in the mountains you can cover distances more quickly than a in a car, but I like regular coffee / photo stops.
 - From Calais you can get to the Jura or Vosges in 1 day on the motorway.  That's how far you need to travel before the fun begins.
 - I think a plan to do both the Pyrenees and Alps within 10 days would be too ambitious (for me).

Last year my main focus was to ride the Route des Grandes Alpes, from Nice to Geneva.  Not a great distance, but it took two and half days.  

For a shorter trip I would recommend the Vosges and Black Forest.  Superb roads, the best food and wine and not too far away.

Have a good trip!

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1973 Guzzi V7 Sport
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2015 Triumph Tiger 800


Posted By: cugsy
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 21:19
Know what? I'm going to book the week off and wing it - fill the bike and ride to dover. Either chunnel or ferry and head to geneva. Then let the dice roll.  Tongue

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Honda nc750x ...hmm - a superdream for the 21st century? ZZZZZZ But the goozi is back running..yesserii jim bob. Fun time


Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 21:22
Certainly a cheaper option. When in Geneva you can go north or south depending on the weather. Jura/Vosges or Alps.

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Brian.

Better 5 minutes late in this world than years early in the next.


Posted By: Glawster
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 21:35
From Calais you can do Geneva in a day, but better to leave the A39 just south of Dole go over the Jura.  Don't go into Switzerland as you'll have to pay the €40 motorway carnet charge.  Go round the south side of lake Geneva in France and pick up the Route des Grandes Alpes in Thonon les Bain.  Follow this to Nice, then on the way back take the Route Napoleon back to Grenoble.  Then see if you have any time left!  And pray for good weather!

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1979 Guzzi T3 California
1973 Guzzi V7 Sport
1955 Guzzi Falcone Sport
2015 Triumph Tiger 800


Posted By: cugsy
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 21:41
When I plan my norway trip it'll be easier..

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Honda nc750x ...hmm - a superdream for the 21st century? ZZZZZZ But the goozi is back running..yesserii jim bob. Fun time


Posted By: Mike H
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 21:44
Originally posted by cugsy cugsy wrote:

Hmm, I might be screwed here. Seems you can't travel on 't ferry without booking a cabin ....an extra £100 or so. I was hoping to sleep in a lifeboat or by the engine for nowtConfused

rethink time

Far cry from me and my mate trying to sleep on the stairs on the overcrowded IOM Steam Packet ferry. Shocked

Those were the days (not really)


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Posted By: Hustler
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 21:46
Originally posted by cugsy cugsy wrote:

Hmm, I might be screwed here. Seems you can't travel on 't ferry without booking a cabin ....an extra £100 or so. I was hoping to sleep in a lifeboat or by the engine for nowtConfused

rethink time

You can book a reserved lounge seat for £10.

But June already looks to be more or less fully booked for motorbikes Portsmouth to Santander.

Cars and vans still have spaces available to book.


Posted By: PaulW
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 08:34
If you use the tunnel, it’s cheaper the earlier you book.


Posted By: cugsy
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 17:57
The ferry is booked - 23rd june and oi be orf to calais on the cali....see what I did there?

 Time to CE mark all of my gear with some felt tips and dig out the breathalyzer, high viz, bribes and fine money for the dodgy frog rozzers....bugger, where's me passport? 


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Honda nc750x ...hmm - a superdream for the 21st century? ZZZZZZ But the goozi is back running..yesserii jim bob. Fun time


Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 19:07
Though the breathalyser is on the statute in France it was announced that no action would be taken against anyone who doesn't carry one.
Haven't seen them in the shops there for a couple of years now.
I've never carried one and never been asked.


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Brian.

Better 5 minutes late in this world than years early in the next.


Posted By: cugsy
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 19:16
Pointless anyway i don't drink😇

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Honda nc750x ...hmm - a superdream for the 21st century? ZZZZZZ But the goozi is back running..yesserii jim bob. Fun time


Posted By: cugsy
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 21:27
And I don't seem to have a pair of CE gloves



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Honda nc750x ...hmm - a superdream for the 21st century? ZZZZZZ But the goozi is back running..yesserii jim bob. Fun time


Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 22:10
What about the CE underclothes?

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Brian.

Better 5 minutes late in this world than years early in the next.


Posted By: cugsy
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2018 at 09:00
I just wear a leather thong under my tassled cut offs....man

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Honda nc750x ...hmm - a superdream for the 21st century? ZZZZZZ But the goozi is back running..yesserii jim bob. Fun time


Posted By: Mike H
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2018 at 13:30
That image will stay with me for the rest of the day now.





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Posted By: cugsy
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2018 at 17:17
Be lucky i don't post it

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Honda nc750x ...hmm - a superdream for the 21st century? ZZZZZZ But the goozi is back running..yesserii jim bob. Fun time


Posted By: Dave P.
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2018 at 23:44
CE ??????
I'm probably being a bit thick, but what does CE stand for?

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TO LIVE OUTSIDE THE LAW YOU MUST BE HONEST.

1971 V7 Special. 1972 850GT.
1970 T120 Bonnie. 2009 500 Bullet.


Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 08:25
It's the European version of the UK BSI or Kite mark.

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Brian.

Better 5 minutes late in this world than years early in the next.


Posted By: Dave P.
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 10:12
Ahh, thank you.

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TO LIVE OUTSIDE THE LAW YOU MUST BE HONEST.

1971 V7 Special. 1972 850GT.
1970 T120 Bonnie. 2009 500 Bullet.


Posted By: Mike H
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 18:11
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Posted By: cugsy
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 19:58
So, if most of my ancient kit doesn't have CE markings will Monsewer Genderme know ? I've got gloves over 15 years old - I said I was cheap. Mind you, some of the new stuff seems to be missing CE or is in a different form?  Ah...f#ck 'em! Last thing on  my mind is being worried about a label...or reflective stickers ...Censored

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Honda nc750x ...hmm - a superdream for the 21st century? ZZZZZZ But the goozi is back running..yesserii jim bob. Fun time


Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 21:09
The CE markings are mandatory on all clothing sold in the shops. They won't be asking you to show your leather thong on the roadside.
Same applies to the reflective stickers, new helmets sold must comply and have the stickers, but riders can continue to wear appropriate older helmets, not the latest compliance.
 
I saw this on a French forum, copied from the French regulations at that time, so I think it's genuine.


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Better 5 minutes late in this world than years early in the next.


Posted By: Mike H
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 14:42
Just looked at a bunch of new helmets online, can't see any reflective stickers?



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Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 22:13
Under current French regs, they must be included with the helmet.

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Brian.

Better 5 minutes late in this world than years early in the next.


Posted By: Loopian
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2018 at 09:46
I’ve just got a new Shark helmet and in the box there’s a pack of reflective stickers with instructions on where to stick em, although I’ve my own opinions!
Cheers Ian


Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2018 at 10:29
I understand in France, there have been a number of fatalities where a fallen rider has been hit by a following car at night. Thus the insistence of retro reflective patches.

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Brian.

Better 5 minutes late in this world than years early in the next.


Posted By: cugsy
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2018 at 16:04
and probably fined for not wearing a hi vis vest as he fell off the bike...

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Honda nc750x ...hmm - a superdream for the 21st century? ZZZZZZ But the goozi is back running..yesserii jim bob. Fun time


Posted By: Mike H
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 00:49
Originally posted by Loopian Loopian wrote:

I’ve just got a new Shark helmet and in the box there’s a pack of reflective stickers with instructions on where to stick em, although I’ve my own opinions!
Cheers Ian

AH!! Thanks. Thumbs Up


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