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Topic: Selling unseen.
Posted By: handyandy1
Subject: Selling unseen.
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2018 at 18:33
So I have a Suzuki V-Strom up for sale on the UK V-Strom forum. I've given plenty of information and photos and I've been contacted by a newish member who wishes to buy the bike. Trouble is, he's in Glasgow and I'm in Swindon! Well it's not really trouble because he has expressed a wish to buy it unseen. He would like to send me 10% deposit by bank transfer then organise a courier to transport it to Glasgow and then transfer the balance before it's picked up. Obviously it won't be going anywhere until the funds are cleared in my bank so it looks like it's pretty risk free from my point of view. I am however concerned that I might be missing something and I could fall victim to some kind of scam that I haven't heard about, particularly with regard to the transfer of ownership procedure.
Anyone think I'm being paranoid??



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Posted By: red leader one
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2018 at 18:36
I'd feel the same as you.


Posted By: johnno
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2018 at 20:00
I'm easy going on buying and selling bikes but this 10% would stop me going ahead . Why put yourself though the worry .

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GSXR1100 L ,Moto Guzzi 650tt/ntx.750xpa,t5 850.1100 sport,1100 sport corsa rider


Posted By: theone&onlymin
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2018 at 20:13
Tell the buyer to send all the money at once. If someone offers to buy it before then sell it to them. The deposit makes sense to secure the bike against that possibility as the bike won't be leaving until the full amount has been paid.
From a recent buyers perspective I forwarded a deposit until I was able to pick the bike up and bring cash.
Contractually I don't know where you, he or I stand in these dealings.

Cheers
Min


Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2018 at 21:08
In law, there is no such thing as a non refundable deposit. So that 10% is worthless. You can try to keep your actual out of pocket expenses but no more.
So what happens if he looks at the bike when it's delivered and decides he doesn't want it? You then pay for the bike to be brought back to you so the 10% again just disappears and more.


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Brian.

Better 5 minutes late in this world than years early in the next.


Posted By: Doug
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2018 at 22:18
If he's genuine he should have no objection to paying the amount in full before the courier picks it up. No need for a deposit.


Posted By: TooJuicy
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2018 at 22:22
I don't understand this arrangement: you get 10% of bike price, some unknown guy collects your bike from you, then good bye?
 
Is that it?
 
I wouldn't lose sight of my bike unto I had all the money in my bank account cleared funds. Why take a risk with your money, is the risk of losing it worth going ahead?
 
Tony
 
 
 


Posted By: handyandy1
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2018 at 22:42
Originally posted by TooJuicy TooJuicy wrote:


I don't understand this arrangement: you get 10% of bike price, some unknown guy collects your bike from you, then good bye?
 
Is that it?
 
I wouldn't lose sight of my bike unto I had all the money in my bank account cleared funds. Why take a risk with your money, is the risk of losing it worth going ahead?
 
Tony
 
 
 


There's no way that bike will be going anywhere until the full amount has cleared in my account. I will be speaking to him tomorrow and will make that clear!


Posted By: V7Chris
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 06:47
Listen to the BBC reports about sellers being conned when they accept payment by PayPal before accepting this form of payment. Insist on cash on collection. Buyers have been collecting expensive items via courier having paid in full with PayPal then reversing the payment which PayPal apparently allow, even after the money is in your personal account. You then owe PayPal for the sum returned to the scam buyer. You never see the goods or your money again. Also get a receipt for the bike signed by whoever collects of as 'in the condition agreed at sale'. Personally, unless they turn up in person with the cash (and I also ask for sight of personal ID from the person collecting/purchasing too) I would not go there. This will almost certainly be a scam.





Posted By: handyandy1
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 07:17
Originally posted by V7Chris V7Chris wrote:

Listen to the BBC reports about sellers being conned when they accept payment by PayPal before accepting this form of payment. Insist on cash on collection. Buyers have been collecting expensive items via courier having paid in full with PayPal then reversing the payment which PayPal apparently allow, even after the money is in your personal account. You then owe PayPal for the sum returned to the scam buyer. You never see the goods or your money again. Also get a receipt for the bike signed by whoever collects of as 'in the condition agreed at sale'. Personally, unless they turn up in person with the cash (and I also ask for sight of personal ID from the person collecting/purchasing too) I would not go there. This will almost certainly be a scam.





No, I wouldn't touch Paypal with a barge pole! I have heard of the PayPal scam but as I understand it, with bank transfer once its in your account it cant be reversed...

I think however that I will give it a wide berth just in case...

Thanks for your advice guys!


Posted By: V7Chris
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 07:42
Hi, that is wise but all should be aware that a PayPal payment can be reversed even though you have the cash in your personal bank account, your PayPal account is then in debit to the amount reversed by the buyer and you then owe PayPal the balance.


Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 08:22
Chris, I think he meant a straight bank transfer can't be recalled.

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Better 5 minutes late in this world than years early in the next.


Posted By: johnno
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 08:46
The buyer might be concerned about paying in full also.

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GSXR1100 L ,Moto Guzzi 650tt/ntx.750xpa,t5 850.1100 sport,1100 sport corsa rider


Posted By: V7Chris
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 09:33
Originally posted by Brian UK Brian UK wrote:


Chris, I think he meant a straight bank transfer can't be recalled.

Yep, I think you are right Brian. I was just raising awareness of the pitfalls of PayPal, even though the cash might be in your own account, a 'purchaser' can still recall the funds from PayPal.


Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 09:45
Paypal is pretty good from the buyers' perspective, I use it when buying from Ebay and it's saved me on more than one occasion.
I agree from the seller's point of view things are different, they do seem to side with the purchasor.


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Brian.

Better 5 minutes late in this world than years early in the next.


Posted By: rbt1548
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 10:36
I personally don't see a problem at all with this , or the way it's being done.
If I read it correctly, he's paying you a 10% deposit AND the balance BEFORE he gets the bike, if I haven't read it correctly ignore the info below Big smile
 
I have just sold my Bellagio exactly the same way, in fact the deposit was less, once I got the deposit through bank transfer, the advert was removed , the deposit is there to secure any funds needed to re advertise etc., 'expenses' as Brian mentioned earlier, if the deal fell through, the buyer arranged a courier and the bike to be picked up on a certain day, the day before the money was transferred as arranged and the bike released. The bike DOES NOT get released until you have full payment, even if the courier is waiting at your door. Some couriers will take the money for the client and give you cash there and then.
 
The person who is most at risk doing it this way is the buyer as he is transferring you money without physically seeing the bike and knowing it's an actual bike for sale, ( that is not you personally it can happen).
I have sold a number of bikes that way and you would be surprised how many people are happy to give you full payment in the first instance.
 
I always give any details requested to a prospective buyer, and insist in giving them my  home number etc., this gives a degree of trust.
 
As for the bank transfer, it's very quick nowadays , a few minutes is all it takes, if you're wary at all you can always withdraw the funds right away, BUT it's the buyer who has just paid you who is most at risk.
Good Luck with the sale.


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1981 T3

1965 BSA Lightning Clubman



It wisnae me, a big boy done it and ran away!

"I was so much older then; I'm younger than that now!"


Posted By: iansoady
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 11:44
I bought a bike in exactly the same way a year or so ago. The bike was near Edinburgh - I'm in Brum. I did have my brother in law give it a quick once-over and he pronounced it OK, as well as confirming the address.

I then made a 10% deposit via bank transfer; once this was confirmed as arriving the vendor sent me the V5C and I transferred the remainder when that arrived then arranged for the bike to be picked up and transported to me.

I must confess to a few anxious days but the bike turned up, exactly as described and I was very happy with it (well actually, as it was a grey import Honda 400 4 it wasn't exactly my cup of tea so it went in favour of the V50).


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Ian
1982 V50
1952 Norton ES2


Posted By: Tarquin
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 13:32
Originally posted by handyandy1 handyandy1 wrote:

So I have a Suzuki V-Strom up for sale on the UK V-Strom forum. I've given plenty of information and photos and I've been contacted by a newish member who wishes to buy the bike. Trouble is, he's in Glasgow and I'm in Swindon! Well it's not really trouble because he has expressed a wish to buy it unseen. He would like to send me 10% deposit by bank transfer then organise a courier to transport it to Glasgow and then transfer the balance before it's picked up. Obviously it won't be going anywhere until the funds are cleared in my bank so it looks like it's pretty risk free from my point of view. I am however concerned that I might be missing something and I could fall victim to some kind of scam that I haven't heard about, particularly with regard to the transfer of ownership procedure.
Anyone think I'm being paranoid??



I see absolutely no issue with this at all.

It is a process that I have done ( both ways ) a number of times without incident.

If he gives you 10% via Bank Transfer, it is nothing more than a monetary promise of intent. You have his cash and your bike still so hardly vulnerable.

You get the balance via SECURE bank transfer prior to releasing the bike so you have been paid in full, safely and securely, what's not to like.

Alternatively you could insist on cash to be on the " safe side" and be handed a good chunk of funny money mixed in with the genuine article.

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California 111 70th Anniversary Model, California 1100i 75th Anniversary Model, Honda ST1300


“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


Posted By: iansoady
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 14:21
TBH if I was buying I'd rather do it this way than go to some unknown address with a pocket full of £20 notes.....

Glasgow you say?


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Ian
1982 V50
1952 Norton ES2


Posted By: rbt1548
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 14:54
Originally posted by iansoady iansoady wrote:

TBH if I was buying I'd rather do it this way than go to some unknown address with a pocket full of £20 notes.....

Glasgow you say?
Yes, he mentioned the buyer is in Glasgow, it's not that great a distance for a courier.

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1981 T3

1965 BSA Lightning Clubman



It wisnae me, a big boy done it and ran away!

"I was so much older then; I'm younger than that now!"


Posted By: c13pep
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 18:54
I have bought two bikes unseen using the bank transfer system with a courier transporting the bike, in this case the risk is all on the buyer. I have sold three bikes using this method and again all the risk is on the buyer. It would only take the seller to `disappear` once the money has been transferred and the buyer would be up the proverbial. When selling the bikes I enclosed a full receipt along with all the relevant paperwork, once the bike was confirmed as arrived I did an electronic owner transfer. I took many photos during loading and in the back of the couriers van.
If I were you I wouldn`t worry too much apart from putting in place a timescale that you would be comfortable with for collection and obtain the FULL details of the buyer/new owner including a landline number.
CHRIS

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Posted By: rapheal
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 19:26
Sounds like a Scam, he may not even be in  Glasgow, more likely Nigeria, or Croydon
(Croydon has a large Nigerian expat community and lots of dodgy deals start from there)
tell the buyer to come down and test it and pay in full and either ride it back or arrange transport


Posted By: Tarquin
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 19:37
Originally posted by rapheal rapheal wrote:

Sounds like a Scam, he may not even be in  Glasgow, more likely Nigeria, or Croydon
(Croydon has a large Nigerian expat community and lots of dodgy deals start from there)
tell the buyer to come down and test it and pay in full and either ride it back or arrange transport


I'm intrigued Raphael, please outline to us in detail, given the circumstances that have been outlined by the OP, how this perceived scam work's because for the life of me I cannot see it.









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California 111 70th Anniversary Model, California 1100i 75th Anniversary Model, Honda ST1300


“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


Posted By: italianmotor
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 19:51
Someone bought a bike from me unseen a few months back as they simply lived too far to view, which I would have preferrred. I asked for a holding deposit which was paid and I said it'd be non-refundable but that was just me, to deter any timewasters. Bike transporter arrived, organised by the buyer, balance paid the same morning in full, and I supllied their bit of the V5 with the bike. No problems, and in fact, the risk was probably more theirs than mine. But I acted like a proper seller, supplying loads of detailed photos, 100% accurate description good and bad points, my details, pics of the MOTs, V5 etc. Great transaction, buyer very happy with the bike.

BTW happy birthday Cugsy, we share a birthday, today! Terrible time of year for one..


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Posted By: DavieL
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 19:53
Yes.


Posted By: iansoady
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 10:54
I think you can get a very good impression of people from emails, phone conversations etc and I would never do a transaction without a decent amount of communication so I could assess the other party.

But as said, I have bought a bike like this and also sold a couple via ebay without the buyer seeing them and each time everything went very smoothly.


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1982 V50
1952 Norton ES2


Posted By: rbt1548
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 11:08
Originally posted by iansoady iansoady wrote:

I think you can get a very good impression of people from emails, phone conversations etc
 
Very true indeed!


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1981 T3

1965 BSA Lightning Clubman



It wisnae me, a big boy done it and ran away!

"I was so much older then; I'm younger than that now!"


Posted By: cyclobutch
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 11:11
I think that it is good to talk, email is not enough. I really prefer people to come view first when I’m selling. I have bought unseen and mostly not done too well out of it. The Loop I picked up a few months back was a corker, except the g/box return spring croaked within three weeks of taking ownership.

I’ve at least a couple of bikes I need to offload as the weather starts to pick up – probably via ebay and I’m not looking forward to it much. 



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Posted By: iansoady
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 12:05
I must admit I hate selling bikes but unfortunately space dictates that it's essentially one in one out. I'll be looking at moving the Arrow on come Spring so I can get stuck into the Norton as I really only have space for one running bike and one receiving attention.

Potential Arrow owners please form an orderly queue (and I'm happy to have any form of communication and offer test rides to suitable vetted applicants!)


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Ian
1982 V50
1952 Norton ES2


Posted By: rapheal
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 12:58
if you are paying several thousand pounds for a motorcycle, motor vehicle or camper van, then the very least you can do is arrange to inspect it, or pay for a professional inspection
My Nephew was offered a Guzzi , but it was 140 miles away
I drove him there and road tested it
how hard is that ?
a Saturday morning in February, 30 quid in fuel, and 20 quid for lunch

There are plenty of professional scammers working the system that know all about money transfer systems and how to scam them, the Police will not get involved due to it being under a set amount, they have not got the resources

if a motorcycle or car does not sell, and the only offer you get appears to come from halfway across the country, then its either the wrong time of the year to sell it, or you are asking too much

fraudsters use the distance ploy to prevent meeting up, its much easier to run a scam that way
quite a few recently have been based in the Croydon area and the money is linked back to Nigeria, ( well know for financial fraud and 419 scams) Russian criminals, and Spanish criminals
if its sounds to good to be true then it usually is
no doubt a few people have had excellent results selling blind to a customer at distance, but it leaves the buyer open to problems if the machine has faults ie its a long way to return it
money transfers even through papypal have been known to vanish from accounts, especially when stolen money is used




Posted By: cyclobutch
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 13:43
Originally posted by iansoady iansoady wrote:

I must admit I hate selling bikes but unfortunately space dictates that it's essentially one in one out. I'll be looking at moving the Arrow on come Spring so I can get stuck into the Norton as I really only have space for one running bike and one receiving attention.

Potential Arrow owners please form an orderly queue (and I'm happy to have any form of communication and offer test rides to suitable vetted applicants!)

Kind of maybe fancy a Leader - I have a soft spot for leg shields. But yes, I too am out of space and out of luck. Lining up to sell my ill starred Sunbeam S7D and a Honda Helix. Maybe the Kawa H1 but I think that most years - it's just too much fun when I get it fired up. 


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Butch


Posted By: Tarquin
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 17:57
Originally posted by rapheal rapheal wrote:

if you are paying several thousand pounds for a motorcycle, motor vehicle or camper van, then the very least you can do is arrange to inspect it, or pay for a professional inspection
My Nephew was offered a Guzzi , but it was 140 miles away
I drove him there and road tested it
how hard is that ?
a Saturday morning in February, 30 quid in fuel, and 20 quid for lunch

There are plenty of professional scammers working the system that know all about money transfer systems and how to scam them, the Police will not get involved due to it being under a set amount, they have not got the resources

if a motorcycle or car does not sell, and the only offer you get appears to come from halfway across the country, then its either the wrong time of the year to sell it, or you are asking too much

fraudsters use the distance ploy to prevent meeting up, its much easier to run a scam that way
quite a few recently have been based in the Croydon area and the money is linked back to Nigeria, ( well know for financial fraud and 419 scams) Russian criminals, and Spanish criminals
if its sounds to good to be true then it usually is
no doubt a few people have had excellent results selling blind to a customer at distance, but it leaves the buyer open to problems if the machine has faults ie its a long way to return it
money transfers even through papypal have been known to vanish from accounts, especially when stolen money is used





Ok Raphael, can you now tell us how in the OP's set of circumstances, the seller is at risk.

We are obviously missing something that you are seeing clearly so why not tell us all properly how this scam works instead of simply stating how many scammers are out there. We all know that. How does this scam work?

By the way, Glasgow is 367 miles from Swindon so £30 in fuel won't cut it on 734 mile journey.

I live in Durham and bought my Cali 3 from a guy in Bexhill on Sea. I couldn't pop round to see it as I didn't have 3 days to spare.

Several phone calls and we both knew each was genuine . I sold my Centauro, Vmax , BMW R100RS and many more like this and have never had a problem.

No money in my bank account and the bike doesn't move. SIMPLES!!!

Obviously Paypal is a big no no but Bank Transfer is fine.

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California 111 70th Anniversary Model, California 1100i 75th Anniversary Model, Honda ST1300


“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


Posted By: rapheal
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 20:17
Please dont patronise me, or try to belittle me with your superior skills debating skills
I am perfectly aware how far Glasgow is from Swindon, I live 20 miles from Swindon and make the Journey to Glasgow 4 times a year, 60 quid for fuel in my economical family saloon
I suggest you look at bank transfer scams
last year over 100 million was lost by consumers and very little reclaimed, and banks are one of the worst to try to recover money from
Far too many people get caught out, and 2 friends of mine have lost money when selling motor vehicles
if you think that everybody in the motorcycling world is perfect, you are naive, I have been conned by a so called enthusiast , nice big house, smart top of the range car on the drive
Luckily I collected the Motorcycle in a small van, and I wasnt the only one he caught out, I got off lightly





Posted By: Tarquin
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 20:30
Nobody is belittling you Raphael, I'm simply asking you to explain how the scam works.

So far, all I have heard from you is a series of generalisations with no specific evidence or method.

Now once again, tell us how it works given the fact that the op is RECEIVING money to his bank account.

Honestly, I must really be naïve and so must so many others who simply don't see it. If you know how this works tell us.

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California 111 70th Anniversary Model, California 1100i 75th Anniversary Model, Honda ST1300


“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 22:14
The bank transfer scams are normally when someone is "persuaded" to transfer money to someone usually as an "investment". They never see it again. The other one is where emails are hacked and a normal transfer to a solicitor for buying a house is sent to the wrong recipient as a result. Money never seen again.
Large amounts of money have been lost in this way, but so far as I know not when someone is transferring in to your account.


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Brian.

Better 5 minutes late in this world than years early in the next.


Posted By: iansoady
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 10:32
I suppose the only risk is that you provide someone with your account number and sort code and this could potentially allow someone to hijack it (especially as you will also be giving them your address but probably not mother's maiden name etc) although I think that is highly unlikely.

When we all used cheques these had the account holder's name plus a/c number and sort code, and going a little further back even had the home address on some!

It's a personal decision but I would welcome first hand experience of someone losing out in the circumstances described. And in the meantime will continue in my possibly misguided ways.


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1982 V50
1952 Norton ES2


Posted By: cyclobutch
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 10:50
Buying my Loop unseen from ebay, I insisted in paying a deposit up front (by PayPal) to ensure the vendor knew I was serious, and I was concerned he was reluctant enough to sell that he might change his mind. I paid the rest as a big pile of cash on pick up, so that at least I’d minimised my losses if it turned out to be a scam. We’d previously had an email dialogue and a few phone calls which allowed me to some extent judge his character.

So I guess the risk was his that I’d only more recently printed the cash. The bike was far enough away and involved van hire so I didn’t want to go the bank transfer route on the day and have that somehow not work out. The cash was all the real deal – I just broke into his house that evening and stole it back.



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Butch


Posted By: iansoady
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 11:26
Smile

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Ian
1982 V50
1952 Norton ES2


Posted By: agriff
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 11:48
Sold my Guzzi G5 on ebay in November. Buyer came with a trailer to look before paying (was a previous owner of same bike who wanted it back) phoned his wife and she did a direct bank transfer, this was in my account  within seconds so I transferred it to another account just to be sure (all done on my phone).
Happy transaction

2 days later I noticed the buyer had paid me again via paypal so I had an extra £2500 in my paypal account. I contacted the buyer to let him know his mistake. He said he just clicked a button that he thought would get rid of the paypal reminders to pay for the bike but had actually paid me again so he was now £2000 overdrawn. 
I repaid him via paypal, next thing I know paypal has suspended my account and need 2 photo ID's to reinstate it. Later I checked my bank account and found paypal had taken the money from my bank account instead of my paypal account, so now I was £2000 overdrawn. 
I guessed the reason was because I had spent £5 on my paypal account so only had £2495 in it so they took the whole lot from my bank account. Had to transfer the paypal balance to my bank account to get out of being withdrawn.
I was lucky, if I hadn't of checked my account I would have been overdrawn for long enough to get charged fees

 Bloody nightmare paypal can be. I now try to avoid using it for various reasons.


Posted By: johnno
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 11:59
Well I've learned quite a bit from this thread , thanks

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GSXR1100 L ,Moto Guzzi 650tt/ntx.750xpa,t5 850.1100 sport,1100 sport corsa rider


Posted By: Mike H
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 12:37
This is interesting:

https://www.saga.co.uk/magazine/motoring/cars/selling/how-do-i-avoid-scams-when-i-sell-my-car" rel="nofollow - https://www.saga.co.uk/magazine/motoring/cars/selling/how-do-i-avoid-scams-when-i-sell-my-car



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Posted By: johnno
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 13:22
Mike Having read this I'm hanging onto all me bikes lol

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GSXR1100 L ,Moto Guzzi 650tt/ntx.750xpa,t5 850.1100 sport,1100 sport corsa rider


Posted By: cyclobutch
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 13:43
Mostly common sense there, though I'm with Johnno - which is why I now find myself with 13 of them; no space, no money and out of luck. And why I really must now move a couple on dammit.

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Butch


Posted By: johnno
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 14:39
Originally posted by cyclobutch cyclobutch wrote:

Mostly common sense there, though I'm with Johnno - which is why I now find myself with 13 of them; no space, no money and out of luck. And why I really must now move a couple on dammit.
just Rd tax and MOT is now becoming a real financial pain let alone all the service work which is never ending it's just getting hard work with getting bloody older

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GSXR1100 L ,Moto Guzzi 650tt/ntx.750xpa,t5 850.1100 sport,1100 sport corsa rider


Posted By: cyclobutch
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 16:31
Yep - though a lot of my stuff is old enough to now be exempt on both counts (see changing law on pre '77 MOT requirement a little later this year), that just means it all breaks more frequently. 

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Butch


Posted By: magwa
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 19:26
I think if I want a bike , I phone the seller attend, either buy full cash there and then.
Or cash deposit,
return with balance
it's simple
however in trying to sell my motoguzzi sport I've had every scam known to man tried.
so unless a potential buyer is attending,
I'm not greatly enthusiastic about selling

the older I get
the less I care two hoots


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Magwa
2008 motoguzzisport
2000 triumph trophy
1986 Morgan 4/4
1968 mobylette


Posted By: Mike H
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 21:21
Originally posted by magwa magwa wrote:


however in trying to sell my motoguzzi sport I've had every scam known to man tried.
 

Interesting.





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"Chicken nuggets don't dance on a Tuesday."


Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 21:30
Originally posted by Mike H Mike H wrote:

This is interesting:

https://www.saga.co.uk/magazine/motoring/cars/selling/how-do-i-avoid-scams-when-i-sell-my-car" rel="nofollow - https://www.saga.co.uk/magazine/motoring/cars/selling/how-do-i-avoid-scams-when-i-sell-my-car
The bit about a buyer complaining later rings a bell.
Once sold a car to a guy, he had a friend with him, and it was clear the buyer didn't really have a clue, but the friend did. They were both happy and the deal was done.
 
12 months later I had a call from the guy, engine had blown up. I asked him what routine maintenance he had done, like when did he last check the coolant.
Never have he replied.


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Brian.

Better 5 minutes late in this world than years early in the next.


Posted By: Jonnyb686
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 21:57
Selling bikes and cars to clueless people accompanied by knowledgeable friends can carry its own burden of pain. Selling my 1958 BSA here in NZ last year and despite giving the buyer chapter and verse about the bike when buyers remorse set in it was obviously the sellers fault and not the knowledgeable friend advising on the deal who was to blame 🙄
I wanted to sell a good bike which I had had for 20 plus years to a good home so this hurt.


Posted By: magwa
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 22:10
Originally posted by Mike H Mike H wrote:

Originally posted by magwa magwa wrote:


however in trying to sell my motoguzzi sport I've had every scam known to man tried.
 

Interesting.





The PayPal scam, the we will pay you more monies please let our agent collect. Please let us have your banking details, I'm abroad, can't get to view my agent will sort it, can you deliver / arrange, the list is a long one....
I withdrew the classic advert.
yes sellers have £ to lose as well as buyers.
it's easier with face to face sales.

I feel sorry for the genuine buyer in all of this.



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Magwa
2008 motoguzzisport
2000 triumph trophy
1986 Morgan 4/4
1968 mobylette


Posted By: handyandy1
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2018 at 07:54
Quick update gents!

The full payment is now safely cleared in my bank account and the bike is being collected by a professional motorcycle transport company on Saturday.
I did a bit of homework and found the buyer on Facebook and we corresponded via messenger and also spoke over the phone and were both reassured that all was genuine.
The V-Strom forum has a similar vibe to this one, with a lot of genuine helpful members, had I advertised on Gumtree or Ebay I would have had greater reservations!
Thanks for all the advice and input, now gotta decide whether I can wait for the V85 launch.....


Posted By: johnno
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2018 at 09:58
that v85 got my interest also

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GSXR1100 L ,Moto Guzzi 650tt/ntx.750xpa,t5 850.1100 sport,1100 sport corsa rider


Posted By: Tarquin
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2018 at 10:49
Originally posted by handyandy1 handyandy1 wrote:

Quick update gents!

The full payment is now safely cleared in my bank account and the bike is being collected by a professional motorcycle transport company on Saturday.
I did a bit of homework and found the buyer on Facebook and we corresponded via messenger and also spoke over the phone and were both reassured that all was genuine.
The V-Strom forum has a similar vibe to this one, with a lot of genuine helpful members, had I advertised on Gumtree or Ebay I would have had greater reservations!
Thanks for all the advice and input, now gotta decide whether I can wait for the V85 launch.....



Delighted for you and by following all of the stated guidelines and a bit of checking PLUS speaking to the guy you have ended up with a good result just as many of us have had by exercising "Due Diligence".

You will never get away from the old saying " A fool and their money are quickly parted.

Where large distances are involved such as when I bought my Cali 3 from Bexhill on Sea and I live in Durham , viewing it was a none starter and collecting it added up to more money and hassle than it was worth.

Lee Costello Bike Transport ( SUPERB ) dropped it off at my door for £120 all in. No brainer. He has in the past phoned me to say " Did you know about this or that on the bike before I load it" Great service and I've never yet bought anything that was not as described.

Good Job!

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California 111 70th Anniversary Model, California 1100i 75th Anniversary Model, Honda ST1300


“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


Posted By: Mike H
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2018 at 17:13
Yes good job, congrats. Thumbs Up




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"Chicken nuggets don't dance on a Tuesday."


Posted By: DavieL
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2018 at 19:33
Glad to hear it all worked out for you. Some informative advice from the collective Thumbs Up

And a few not so.....like mine Embarrassed


Posted By: wrnkley
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2018 at 20:33
HandyAndy1  V85 not out till 2021. That's a long wait.


Posted By: handyandy1
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2018 at 05:34
Originally posted by wrnkley wrnkley wrote:


HandyAndy1  V85 not out till 2021. That's a long wait.


Dammit! Guess I'll have to keep an eye on the bikes for sale section for something to tide me over!!



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