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Just bought this one .Not sure which model it is !

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Topic: Just bought this one .Not sure which model it is !
Posted By: Pier
Subject: Just bought this one .Not sure which model it is !
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2017 at 11:36
Hi Community
As mentioned in a previous post I found a Guzzi here in Vietnam 
I couldn't resist and bought it even though the papers are kind of funny ( If I may say ..) 

They does not seem very legitimate, the date of first entry into circulation is 1994 and the displacement 844cc (This is the only Guzzi I've seen in almost 20 years in Vietnam)

The frame number is VR46732, I did not find any reference on the net (The 850T5 stops at VR36416!)

the fork tubes are 40mm! ( which is not the size for any 850T) 

The front discs are 300mm

the carbs are PHF30

The front wheel is 18 inches the same for the rear wheel

In addition it lacks a lot of original parts including the tank, the pots ...

I made some pictures, if anyone can inform me it would be great ? 

Thank ypou in anti


(I had 2 Guzzi in the late 80s, a V7 Special and V7 Sport)


 




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Posted By: theoneandonly
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2017 at 11:46
it's a bitsa 
as in bits of this and bits of that 


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Posted By: iansoady
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2017 at 11:57
Could be the makings of a nice bike.


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1952 Norton ES2
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Posted By: johnno
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2017 at 16:36
It's a great looking bike

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GSXR1100 L ,Moto Guzzi 650tt/ntx.750xpa,t5 850.1100 sport,1100 sport corsa rider


Posted By: c13pep
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2017 at 17:26
Nice looking bike but trying to decipher Guzzi frame numbers needs a crystal ball (read Guzzitech on the subject) and a large dose of good luck!! I agree its a bitsa and a nice one at that.
CHRIS

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Posted By: V7Chris
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2017 at 17:35
Perhaps the guzzi designer went on holiday to Vietnam and your bike gave them the inspiration for the v9 Bobber!


Posted By: v7john
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2017 at 17:51
According to the Dutch site that number could be for a 1995-on 850T5 PA. Is the PA bit a Police model?

https://www.mgcn.nl/database/mg-framenummers" rel="nofollow - https://www.mgcn.nl/database/mg-framenummers

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Posted By: Dukedesmo
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2017 at 21:47
Interesting looking bike. Thumbs Up

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Posted By: Pier
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2017 at 02:23
On the site the number for the 850T5 PA stop at VR 36416 ! this one is VR36732 
and as I said the fork is a 40mm and both wheel are 18" which doesn't match with the 850T5 specs



Posted By: v7john
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2017 at 11:00
You said the frame number was VR46732 so that's what I was referring to
Originally posted by Pier Pier wrote:


The frame number is VR46732, I did not find any reference on
the net (The 850T5 stops at VR36416!)

This is what it says on that site


Edit; Now I see your photo shows VR36732! I still think it's close enough to have started off as a T5 frame but, as others have said, it's a bitza.


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1972 V7Sport "The Racing Rhino".
1972 V7 700cc "The Fire Bike".

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Posted By: johnno
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2017 at 14:37
For me it's a T5 later model 18 inch rear wheel then someone as put forks and 18 inch wheel in the front , mine is 16 inch wheels front and back a early model whatever it is it looks good Guzzi later fitted 18 inch rear with 16 inch front

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Posted By: Pier
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2017 at 04:17
Thanks for your comments 
The 40mm fork tube/ 300mm disks  too is a mystery 



Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2017 at 10:34
That will be something a previous owner did.


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Posted By: GuzziPaul
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2017 at 11:53
Looks like a modern Triumph Bonneville tank which is where the forks may be from.


Posted By: Pier
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2017 at 03:19
The tank was "handmade" here in Saigon 
The same guys that just did those Reverse Cone silencer , 
They told me they just did a Tank for a V7 which doesn't look that bad from the picture I have seen 



Posted By: GuzziPaul
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2017 at 08:43
Spot the difference.





Posted By: Pier
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2017 at 10:13
Interesting ! 
As I mentioned the tank was made locally by the guy who just put "new" silencer and this guy  will make one for me in stainless steel , he just did this one a recent V7 



Posted By: red leader one
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2017 at 11:35
That looks nice.


Posted By: Keef Mayhem
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2017 at 18:16
The forks and wheel look like Cali III bits, as they are 40mm and have the damping adjusters on the caps and the raised bits to mount reflectors on the lower sliders  as well as the cast brace for the sliders,
 Cali III's use 300mm discs although the ones on this bike look like they could be aftermarket (Braking R-fix ?) parts



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Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2017 at 22:17
The Cali III had floating discs with bobbins. Those look like sold ones, bolted to the hub.

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Brian.

Better 5 minutes late in this world than years early in the next.


Posted By: Keef Mayhem
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2017 at 02:07
I agree the original discs are floating with bobbins Brembos, I've got a set of them lying around in the garage, I also have a very similar set of Braking Ltd solid discs fitted to my R100 which is why I said they looked aftermarket


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So many bikes, so little time !


Posted By: Pier
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2017 at 09:14
The local guys are making a new stainless steel tank 


Posted By: red leader one
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2017 at 10:15
That will look nice.
Any pics to see how they do it what they use tools etc?


Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2017 at 10:19
Large mallet?


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Brian.

Better 5 minutes late in this world than years early in the next.


Posted By: Oldrat
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2017 at 11:09
Obviously not Toe’tectors then

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Posted By: Pier
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2017 at 11:09
I am going back on the 2nd of Jan to give them a GPS speedo and RPM  I bought on Aliexpress, I will make a couple of pix too of there shop




Posted By: red leader one
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2017 at 12:32
Cheers


Posted By: Surfrider Barry
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 09:10
How much was the stainless tank


Posted By: Pier
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 09:51
The tank was around $350 including the "engraving Logo" , I know I could by some cheaper from India but has I had no idea which model to order it was safer for me to do it locally, knowing the guys are really nice and motorcycle passionate, I had to paint it green as in Vietnam the color is on the registration paper, I find the green too light so they will give it another coating closer to a British Racing Green 



Posted By: Pier
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 09:57
I forget to mention they could do a stainless steel  Scrambler exhaust based on the ARROW for          VND 6 000 000,  sounds a lot but that's around US$ 260.00 if I give them back the reverse cone ones they just build for me. At this point I will wait for this one to finish and I will see if it's worth it 


Posted By: Pier
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 10:01


Posted By: Surfrider Barry
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 10:49
Do they have a website to order from or email contact to talk to?


Posted By: Pier
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 11:33
They don't, they just cater to the local community here and none speak English 
I am adding a couple of pix to show you how the shop looks 


Posted By: Pier
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 12:28


Posted By: Dave P.
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 12:32
Crikey

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Posted By: red leader one
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 13:47
I remember places like that 60 years ago in Birmingham.

Proper skilled people.


Posted By: V7Chris
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 18:30
Originally posted by red leader one red leader one wrote:

I remember places like that 60 years ago in Birmingham.

Proper skilled people.

Look carefully in the backstreets of brum and you might still find some!


Posted By: johnno
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 20:02
Craftsman

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Posted By: Dukedesmo
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 21:21
The tank's a beauty.  Thumbs Up

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Posted By: Pier
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 11:43
I went back to the shop today to check some stuff , not really related but they are doing a new project 
I was able check the exhaust pipe they were making for a BMW, not bad actually I might give it a go for the "scramblerization" of the T5( if it's a T5..) in couple of month 


Posted By: Pier
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 11:44
The wheels are coming from a Honda car!


Posted By: c13pep
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 11:24
The picture of the workshop is amazing and I for one would love to have one like that but I don`t think `HER INDOORS` would be best pleased. It`s wonderful to see such craftsmanship coming out of the chaos. At least with chaos you always know where everything is, its only when you sort out the workshop do things seem to `disappear`, or is that just me in my old age!!!!
Not sure about the flip flops though!
CHRIS

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Posted By: iansoady
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 12:16
Reminds me of that youtube video of the man hand lining Enfield tanks - just as they would have been done in Redditch in the 1950s.

Although the Indian factory looks much cleaner than the metal-bashing one shown by Pier.




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1982 V50
1952 Norton ES2
1962 Ariel Arrow


Posted By: Mike H
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 12:46
Crap trying to do that would terrify me Ouch


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Posted By: iansoady
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 13:37
We too. You have to have the confidence to do it in a single sweep.


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Ian
1982 V50
1952 Norton ES2
1962 Ariel Arrow


Posted By: V7Chris
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 14:55
That guy is very talented indeed. A true craftsman


Posted By: c13pep
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 15:26
[QUOTE=iansoady] Reminds me of that youtube video of the man hand lining Enfield tanks - just as they would have been done in Redditch in the 1950s.

Although the Indian factory looks much cleaner than the metal-bashing one shown by Pier.

I could sit and watch that all day, a true skill especially with so many people there watching him
CHRIS




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