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Topic: Florida
Posted By: Tony G
Subject: Florida
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2022 at 11:21
Just seen a 1989 V65 Florida on ebay. lovely! Shame it's in Hereford.

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Posted By: BondEquipe
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2022 at 18:11
Not my sort of thing but there's also a Nevada in Ormskirk for less money and with wire wheels.

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Posted By: Tony G
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2022 at 20:02
I'll have look. Thanks

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Posted By: Tony G
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2022 at 16:57
Bugger I got bored last night and but a bid on the Florida. Bugger I'm still the highest bidder, No van no trailer. BuggerEmbarrassed

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Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2022 at 18:50
From what I can see you're the only bidder.
He does say it's advertised elsewhere.


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Posted By: BondEquipe
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 01:16
Originally posted by Tony G Tony G wrote:

Bugger I got bored last night and but a bid on the Florida. Bugger I'm still the highest bidder, No van no trailer. BuggerEmbarrassed

You can cancel your bid!

To my mind the Nevada is a better bet as it's a bit newer, bigger engine, nicer looking with wire wheels, cheaper and closer to you.


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Posted By: Tony G
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 08:28
Just cancelled  Feel crap like.

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Posted By: Guzzished
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 09:39
Got to agree with BondEquip, Nevada very similar style and good bikes, possibly better ( more reliable. ) Ignition systems. ( Digiplex. ) Same as fitted to some California's,  I think the Florida's had the two separate black boxes same as fitted to earlier bikes such as 750T's.


Posted By: AdrianW
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 11:46
If it's the one I think it is then there is still 1 bid on it ( 2:42pm 2 days ago?).
Might be worth checking with Ebay...

Cheers,
Adrian
Bristol UK


Posted By: Tony G
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 17:55
Yes that was me. The sellerwas happy as long as I contacted Ebay. spent an hour going round and round. then I just pressed the unhelpful button. eventually I was given the option to talk to a real person who sorted it for me. pffst

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Posted By: Tony G
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2022 at 08:23
So! looked online at motorbike curriers last night only one came up £233.

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Posted By: Tarquin
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2022 at 10:01
There's a reliable courier by the name of Bertrand that many on here have used.



His number is amongst these threads.


http://guzziriders.org/search_results_posts.asp?SearchID=20220911100217&KW=bertrand" rel="nofollow - http://guzziriders.org/search_results_posts.asp?SearchID=20220911100217&KW=bertrand






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Posted By: Tony G
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2022 at 09:55
Just looked at a Bellagio on ebay. Just on a photo it looks a cool bike.

Vexingly most bikes i like are down south. Ouch


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Posted By: Jerry atric
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2022 at 16:23
Ah, Bellagio. Got to be a better bet than the Florida?


Posted By: Jerry atric
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2022 at 16:26
Just had a look at the Bellagio, is that price a bargain? doesn't seem much or am I out of touch?


Posted By: Tony G
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2022 at 17:18
Not sure Jerry' it's the first one I've seen. Read a few reveiw's. It does look a cool bike.

Sometimes bargins turn out not to be Triumph Tiger 885 springs to mind. Thumbs Down


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Posted By: BondEquipe
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2022 at 22:58
Originally posted by Jerry atric Jerry atric wrote:

Just had a look at the Bellagio, is that price a bargain? doesn't seem much or am I out of touch?

Thick end of £5k for a 12 year old small block? I know they're nice but that looks a bit steep to me.  There are newer big Brevas or V12s for less money.


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Posted By: Jerry atric
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2022 at 08:20
Ah, OK. I thought because they are rare etc... Cant claim to know much about prices


Posted By: Tony G
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2022 at 20:55
Ypu and me both Jerry. Handshake

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Posted By: Guzzi1000SE
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2022 at 21:36
I've been contemplating getting a Bellagio for some time.  They don't come up that often but when they do, the prices seem to be in the £4,500 to £6,000 range.  I don't know if this helps, but the one on ebay is also on MGCGB Marketplace with an email address and mobile phone number.     


Posted By: Tony G
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2022 at 21:54
Ooh I check it out Thanks

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Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2022 at 22:41
Originally posted by BondEquipe BondEquipe wrote:

Originally posted by Jerry atric Jerry atric wrote:

Just had a look at the Bellagio, is that price a bargain? doesn't seem much or am I out of touch?

Thick end of £5k for a 12 year old small block? I know they're nice but that looks a bit steep to me.  There are newer big Brevas or V12s for less money.

The Ballagio is a big block. Closest to a Cali. but 940 cc. and with the CARC rear end. Not many about.


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Posted By: Tony G
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2022 at 13:48
Was it a bitsa bike?

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Posted By: Jerry atric
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2022 at 16:13
Someone more knowledgeable than me said it was an attempt to tap the Hardly Ableson market but then it was killed off by European emission controls. Don't know if that's true or just an urban myth?... Brian UK?


Posted By: Guzzi1000SE
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2022 at 19:59
Originally posted by Jerry atric Jerry atric wrote:

Someone more knowledgeable than me said it was an attempt to tap the Hardly Ableson market but then it was killed off by European emission controls. Don't know if that's true or just an urban myth?... Brian UK?

I've heard and read the same in a couple of articles.  My understanding was that it was supposed to be pitched directly at the Harley Sportster.  




Posted By: Tony G
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2022 at 21:33
I could be wrong but it will be a better bike than the sportster. I always think the rear cyclinder on Harly's will run hot.?

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Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2022 at 21:47
Originally posted by Jerry atric Jerry atric wrote:

Someone more knowledgeable than me said it was an attempt to tap the Hardly Ableson market but then it was killed off by European emission controls. Don't know if that's true or just an urban myth?... Brian UK?

Don't know about the Harley connection, but yes, it was killed off by EU etc. emission standards.


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Posted By: Guzzi1000SE
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2022 at 23:21
Originally posted by Tony G Tony G wrote:

I could be wrong but it will be a better bike than the sportster. I always think the rear cyclinder on Harly's will run hot.?

I don't know anything about Harley's, (or anything else for that matter) but I seem to remember reading somewhere that the rear cyclinder is designed to run hotter.


If you haven't read it already, you might find the following article of interest 
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/motoring/features/moto-guzzi-bellagio-it-s-the-twin-peak-5332712.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/motoring/features/moto-guzzi-bellagio-it-s-the-twin-peak-5332712.html



Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2022 at 07:50
Originally posted by Tony G Tony G wrote:

I could be wrong but it will be a better bike than the sportster. I always think the rear cyclinder on Harly's will run hot.?

That design has been around for so many years, I'm sure Harley would have factored that point in by now.


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Posted By: Tony G
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2022 at 08:53
Just looked on Guzzi owners. The bellagio is nice, but so is the V7 special. Hmm. 

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Posted By: Andy M
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2022 at 10:46
Originally posted by Guzzi1000SE Guzzi1000SE wrote:

I seem to remember reading somewhere that the rear cyclinder is designed to run hotter.


You recall correctly. It's in the realms of mechanical minutiae though, you don't see Harleys in good fettle with any ill effects unless you run your 1910 model on the original oil beyond the service intervals or in Death Valley. Our own V-Twins will run marginally hotter on one cylinder just because the first to fire pulses mixture in the second. If you want less of even that you have to do what Douglas did and the Bavarians copied, a 179 degree cylinder spacing and two throw crank. You can also change one bore size and then chase your tail sorting out the resulting vibration and increased numbers of components. To me there is nothing wrong with a Harley engine except they won't mount them in Vincent style frames.

The journalists get confused by the marketing. The cruiser market is big and Guzzi, Honda etc. have had success in it. The Harley-Davidson market is smaller and is people who want Harleys for the image and lifestyle stuff as much as the bike. H-D are in both markets. Saying you are going to compete with H-D is like saying you'll compete with Honda but not saying if you're making a car, a bike, a robot or a generator set. 

IIRC the Florida was killed off at one of the emissions gateway points. If it couldn't meet the regs or just didn't sell you'd need to ask someone at Moto Guzzi. 

Andy 


Posted By: Tony G
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2022 at 14:10
Thanks Brian and Andy M.
 Tony


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Posted By: Brian UK
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2022 at 14:59
Originally posted by Andy M Andy M wrote:

To me there is nothing wrong with a Harley engine except they won't mount them in Vincent style frames.
Many years ago, when the fashion was to put engines into the Norton Featherbed frame, I was told you couldn't fit a Harley engine into the Featherbed, but you could fit the Featherbed into the Harley engine if you fed it in sideways.



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Posted By: AdrianW
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2022 at 17:48
>>I seem to remember reading somewhere that the rear cyclinder is designed to run hotter. <<

My Buell XB9S has a thumping great fan behind the rear cyclinder that comes on if the bike gets too warm (or sometimes when you park it up..) controlled by a sensor somewhere..
Mind you that motor has been breathed on more than a little (by Harley standards) and the frame wraps around it so the cylinders don't benefiit from a passing breeze...  !!

Guzzi had a better idea, stick 'em out in the wind....

Cheers,
Adrian
Bristol UK




Posted By: Speciality
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2022 at 17:58
Modern big Indians cut one cylinder when warm and stationary. Presumably they go from sounding cool to sounding like a dumper truck….


Posted By: Tony G
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2022 at 09:59
That makes sense AndyW A faf on but I'm surprised HD don't do the same.

That's interesting Speciality, I'm looking forward to seeing my mate with his modern Indian. I'll be asking how his Thumber is doing


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Posted By: Andy M
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2022 at 14:52
Cutting to one cylinder is going to do wonders on an emissions test, I'm surprised VW didn't think of it.

I'd really like to test these, pull the fan fuse on the Buell or pack one cylinder on a Guzzi with a close fitting cowl. Hot air rises and pulls in cool air. It's how stationary engines work. All those pumps and cement mixers don't have such trouble. This makes me wonder if fans etc. were a marketing department thing?

Andy 


Posted By: BondEquipe
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2022 at 15:16
Originally posted by Brian UK Brian UK wrote:

Many years ago, when the fashion was to put engines into the Norton Featherbed frame, I was told you couldn't fit a Harley engine into the Featherbed, but you could fit the Featherbed into the Harley engine if you fed it in sideways.

I'd best tell my mate that as he has a Harley engined Featherbed!


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