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    Posted: 16 Apr 2018 at 23:26
I know this is out of order but there are some clever Geezers and Geezeress out there. My Citroen Cactus doesn't come with a spare wheel and I don't trust the emergency repair kit that came with the car. It has 17'' wheel rims but all I can find is 16''. Question is, does this matter and would it affect the steering if fitted to a front axle?

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Don't talk to me about ******** emergency repair kits.

Daughter hit a pothole with her 108, split the front tyre. No repair kit would work for more than half a mile though we both tried. ended up driving slowly the remaining 2 miles home on the flat tyre. It was wrecked anyway.

All spacesaver spare wheels are inevitably smaller diameter than the main wheels, but seem to be OK, but of course they come with a 50mph limit. Do you have space for a full size or is it a spacesaver one you are considering?
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Hi Brian

The one I've seen on ebay looks like it's full size but in steel. Just seems odd to me to have a different size wheel on one corner!
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Don’t worry, it’ll do to get you home. I hit a pothole in my fiesta and it broke the wheel. I was only a mile from home but had to get recovered which of course took all evening and I never got the Chinese I was going for. I now have a space saver off eBay. My RAC mate says that non repairable punctures are their biggest single call out.
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Just roughly checked the one on my 308. The spacesaver spare is about 1cm less in diameter than the road wheels, though the rim size is the same at 16". However I seem to remember my wife's car has a spacesaver which has a smaller rim size.
How that would affect the tyre pressure monitor I don't know as the one Peugeot fit (and probably Citroen) works on the rotation speed of each wheel using the ABS sensors.
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Having finaly managed to prise the keys out of the wife's hand I decided to check out the size of the spare wheel well. Never been in there before (we've only had the car three years) I found Citroen had filled the space with a plastic construction to hold a puncture kit including an electric pump. Obviously I had to see if it worked and connected it up to my Sealy emergency battery thingy.  It made a satisfying noise  and air came out of a black hose. But why was there a second silver hose? Of course I hadn't read that section of the handbook. This hose had a screw in plastic cap which I unscrewed and released a jet of what I can only suppose is some sort of latex puncture repair fluid. Now this was under some considerable pressure and it hit my dear wife fair and square in the chest. Then across the kitchen floor, up the window, across the work and sink tops, then expired in a dribble all over itself, the power pack and the work counter I'd stood it on.Embarrassed

Upshot was much swearing, threats of divorce and after a lot of cleaning up a frustrating hunt for the missing screw cap....finally located in the wife's bra!Shocked


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I may need somewhere to sleep tonight. Can I come round your house?Unhappy
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That made me chuckle and it is always nice to hear of someone else's misfortunes as it helps to remind me that I am not the only one who has these Frank Spencer moments! 

BTW Brian, I discovered yesterday that I have a slow puncture because when I got in my Peugeot 5008 yesterday morning to trundle off to a meeting, it bleeped at me and the display said that the front RH tyre pressure was too low. It was right. but - if this is activated by the ABS system detecting difference in rotational speed, how come it knew before the wheel had turned? I am not doubting your extensive knowledge, just curious.
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Wilco (in the UK) have a cheap aerosol puncture repair tin £5.99 that I can say works well (did over 100 miles on it) 

Wheel size my space savers have always been a bit smaller. 

But I don't know how it knows not to kick the ESP and or anti spin which measure the speed of the wheels (if it thinks one is going faster that the other it slows it). 

Guessing its got a tolerance for bend differential thats the same as the reduced wheel diameter? 

   
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Originally posted by V7Chris V7Chris wrote:

That made me chuckle and it is always nice to hear of someone else's misfortunes as it helps to remind me that I am not the only one who has these Frank Spencer moments! 

BTW Brian, I discovered yesterday that I have a slow puncture because when I got in my Peugeot 5008 yesterday morning to trundle off to a meeting, it bleeped at me and the display said that the front RH tyre pressure was too low. It was right. but - if this is activated by the ABS system detecting difference in rotational speed, how come it knew before the wheel had turned? I am not doubting your extensive knowledge, just curious.

There are 2 types of TPMS systems Chris.  The cheap 'n' cheerful ones (like on my little VW Up) use the ABS wheel speed sensors, more posh ones have pressure sensors installed in the wheels which communicate via a RF link to the car.
I believe the battery in those sensors needs replacing every now and again, presumably when you have new tyres fitted.

I think we all have Frank Spencer moments from time to time... just ask my Mrs!
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BMW 5 Series Estate.  A huge car with loads of storage areas.  What do you get with it - absolutely nothing.  No spare no inflation kit, no pump and no jack.  Of course they do give you run flat tyres, but all they do is ruin the ride quality.  Progress eh?

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I know my car (308 SW) has he ABS type Chris. But your 5008 probably has the direct monitors.
 
To be honest I don't think the ABS type is very good, had it come up once and tyre was down to almost half pressure.
 
How they differentiate between skids, loss of traction and a puncture I don't know, probably change over time and length of time.
 
There is quite a lot of information on the Peugeot Forum.
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Ah, I see, that explains it. Bloomin annoying because I put two expensive New tyres on the front at Christmas. Haven't had time to investigate yet. Three hundred mile trip up the M6 tomorrow too.
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On my recently bought 2007 Volvo XC90 , after getting it home I decided to check that everything was present.

On looking underneath I saw a large empty void where a spare wheel would sit and on checking further found no jack but instead a poxy compressor and can of goop.

I was about to contact the seller and complain but first I made enquiries on the Volvo Forum and apparently a spare wheel and jack was an optional cost extra so the first tight fisted owner had obviously decided against it.

In the boot was a blanking plate where the spare wheel winch would sit so I bought a used winch, used 18" space saver and jack.

That little lot came in just shy of £100 BUT I feel an awful lot safer now especially as we tow a caravan and the thought of a ripped , non repairable tyre with the van on the back was enough to prise open the wallet.
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