Non Guzzi tale of woe.

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   I don't want hijack the thread or pontificate too much, so I won't post further here after this. I try not buy from PRC unless I am really desperate and can't find a UK made alternative, if not UK then EU, if not EU  then made in somewhere where they don't routinely torture their citizens of ignore human rights and decent employment standards.This can be really challenging at times. A friend of mine is frustrated because I won't buy a cheap Chinese made Bluetooth helmet intercomm headset for the three times a year that we ride together. I can't find one that isn't too expensive, so I'll do without.

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V7Chris Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 13 May 2017 Location: Powys Status: Offline Points: 1762	Post Options Post Reply Quote V7Chris Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 Aug 2022 at 08:31
	I don't want hijack the thread or pontificate too much, so I won't post further here after this. I try not buy from PRC unless I am really desperate and can't find a UK made alternative, if not UK then EU, if not EU then made in somewhere where they don't routinely torture their citizens of ignore human rights and decent employment standards. This can be really challenging at times. A friend of mine is frustrated because I won't buy a cheap Chinese made Bluetooth helmet intercomm headset for the three times a year that we ride together. I can't find one that isn't too expensive, so I'll do without.

Brian UK Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Joined: 13 May 2014 Location: Surrey Status: Offline Points: 16990	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brian UK Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 Aug 2022 at 16:22
	Remember that if a buyer gets refunded, then the feedback is cancelled/ So if that seller has diddles many people, but eventually been forced to refund, then there will be no negative feedback. So feedback is not a reliable source of information.
	Brian. Better 5 minutes late in this world than years early in the next.

Andy M Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 27 Jan 2015 Location: Leeds Status: Offline Points: 1062	Post Options Post Reply Quote Andy M Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 Aug 2022 at 16:57
	I'm with you Chris, UK, US, EU suppliers first, then China only if that's the only remaining source and something less important . Ultimately everything is made in China, but let someone make something out of fixing their **** before I have to. The way they treat their people is likewise not something you'll influence unless you want to live in a cave, but at some point they will get fed up of being suppliers to known or purchased brands (Benelli etc.) and want to bring their own to the forefront. I had a brief spell in the oil and gas industry. For obvious reasons, reports on casting quality etc. are important. There was a Chinese supplier who used the same photocopy, even down to the coffee cup rings every time. The company stopped using him. The replacement supplier sent the same certificate. A business culture where you just lie until you get paid. Andy

jmee54 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 28 Nov 2014 Location: Cornwall Status: Offline Points: 1337	Post Options Post Reply Quote jmee54 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 Aug 2022 at 18:31
	Just about everything you buy is produced by exploiting a work force, yeah I know there are exceptions, but manufacturers will sniff out whoever will do the job for less, which inevitably means paying less on the wages of the workers. As said, most stuff is made in China or Asia or by migrant labour, often in western countries. It is the sh*t show that capitalism is.