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    Posted: 25 Jan 2019 at 18:02
Hi, I'm UK based and looking to return to biking after a 40 year gap.

I'm looking for a touring biased bike with some weather protection, and love the look and heritage of the Guzzi models. The Norge and Stelvio are obvious candidates but the sheer size and weight appears intimidating for someone who hasn't thrown a leg over a bike since the days of BSA.

There are a couple of Breva models for sale and a few V12 Sports (complete with luggage) which look very nice and would fit my budget.
I don't want a tucked up riding position, so can anyone offer any guidance on the relative seating/riding positions of these models.
Sadly the bikes for sale are a bit too far away to just pop down and try for size.
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Not knowing your size and shape it's difficult to say.
The 1200 Sport is the same size and weight as the Norge but a different set of bars.

The 1100 or 1200 Breva also the same.

There is also the 750 Breva which might be what you mean, a lot lighter.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DaveH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jan 2019 at 08:35
Thanks Brian, 
I'm 6 ft and not skinny.

It's the relationship between the bars and pegs that interests me. 'Sport' implies a more leaning forward, legs bent sort of riding position to me.
Is the Breva similar to the Norge but without the bodywork and some of the bells and whistles?

Weight isn't the deal breaker if the bike 'fits'.


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Hello. and welcome to the forum.

Try this website for Motorcycle ergonomics.

http://cycle-ergo.com/

Edited by helmetbolt - 26 Jan 2019 at 10:21
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian UK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jan 2019 at 10:33
The big Breva is identical to the Norge as far as rider position is concerned (and weight).
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Hi Dave,

I have been having the same dilemma, but fortunately I have managed to sit on all three bikes. Personally I found the three bike quite similar however, the 1200 Sport made me lean further forward as the bars are flatter and wider. The seats felt much the same on all three and as I have been told on this forum they are interchangable.

I see you are in Derbyshire if you are not too far from CMC at Clay Cross they have a 2010 1200 Sport in stock which you could go and sit on. I would give them a ring first just to check it is still in stock 01246 860046

http://www.cmcbikes.com/used-motorcycle/2010-moto-guzzi-v1200-v4-sport-for-sale-5c4c3767e49f7
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PeterB Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jan 2019 at 10:55
Hello Dave.

I have a Breva 1100. I'm 59 yrs old 6ft tall and around 15 and a half stone.  
I find the seat/bar/peg relationship on the Breva very comfortable even with my long legs, I believe it is the same riding position as the Norge.

Due to an old neck injury I need a bike with a fairly upright riding position and the Breva/Norge handlebars provide this.  I have a screen on the Breva which allows 90mph cruising with no drama but a fully faired Norge would no doubt improve on the comfort and weather protection levels should you envisage all weather, year round use.

The only disadvantage of the Breva's upright position as far as I can see is that the front wheel feels slightly remote when compared to a bike with handlebars that lean you forward such as those on the 1200 sport.  This only shows up on tight roundabouts and so on and you soon get used to it.  If your riding style is more restrained and less 'sporty' then it becomes a non issue.

The Breva is a heavy bike.  Once on the move it's ok but not what you'd call nimble no matter what the road tests of the day would tell you. To summarise, if you are of a similar size and build to me you will have no problem whatsoever fitting either bike.  


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DaveH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jan 2019 at 11:23
Thanks for the input.
That has helped me get a clearer picture of how the MG range fits together.

I'm not far from CMC so will try to call in.

Breva with a screen is looking favourite Tongue
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guzzi1000SE Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jan 2019 at 11:36
Hi Dave,

I am also thinking about a Breva with a screen, panniers and top box.
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I have also been to look at the bike in CMC, it's in nice condition and it seems to have had the cam kit fitted according to the paperwork.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ken-Guzzibear Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jan 2019 at 10:29
A pre owned bike with screen and panniers if you intend touring is a great option as to add them later is likely to cost damn near £1000 to buy new that is something worth considering. By the way The "Sport" is a similar riding position to a VFR Honda more touring than sport. The best advice before going for any Guzzi (or other bike) is find one take it for a ride they either feel right or don't

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote red leader one Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jan 2019 at 11:34
Putting Mana bars on a 1200 Sport brings the bars closer to you I've heard.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TooJuicy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jan 2019 at 15:16
The bike reviews say that early 1200 Sports have handlebars further forward and indeed fitting alternative bars was not uncommon. The reviews say that handlebars of the 4/8v models (2008 on) are closer.

I have a late-model 1200 Sport and I would prefer the handlebars a touch further forward, but it's just personal opinion and my previous/other bike is a VFR and I find a moderate forward lean is better for my back than sitting upright.

Each to their own, but the message is that earlier (2006/7 2v) Sports may have more of a stretch to the bars.

Tony


My 1200 Sport half unpacked on return from a 4,000 mile camping trip - rh pannier & topbox removed; lh pannier, camping roll, tank bag & road dirt still in place.


P.S.  fitted with a Norge seat.  As mentioned earlier, I'm not sure the Norge seat was more comfortable, my wife suspects it's less (comfortable) on the back.

PPS my wife doesn't do tents and didn't travel with the camping equipment. It's a long story...


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