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    Posted: 07 Oct 2018 at 22:37
I went to service my Aprilia Tuono and rode out in a 2017 V-9 Bobber. It took me about 250 miles to understand the bike, at first I tried riding it like a superbike because that's what I've been riding for the last 20 years. Then there was a revelation....you can actually have fun on a bike doing 60 mph instead of 160 mph. 
I have the bike for about a month, I still have my 3 Aprilias and KTM but I mostly ride the Moto Guzzi. Riding it makes me feel more distinguished, calm and civilized. Obviously, you can't ride a Tuono the way you ride a Moto Guzzi, The Tuono front tire barely has any contact with the ground.
I have bought already every accessory with the exception of the side panniers, and in the process of replacing every bolt with either stainless or titanium. I absolutely dislike zinc coated industrial looking bolts. BAAK motorcycles has awesome bits and pieces, and the OEM catalogue a few more. However, there isn't much from the aftermarket on these V9 bikes, maybe they haven't sold enough to motivate the aftermarket to produce some bling?
There are a few British companies that sell stainless bolts and bolt kits but NOTHING for the V9. I'm sure the V7 II and III and V9 share some of those nuts and bolts but the information on the internet is limited. 
My impression on these bikes is either you understand it or you simply don't. No middle ground. Thankfully, I do understand it and treat it for what it is. Madly in love with it already, I never buy anything that I don't like or short term. 
Well, Hello my fellow riders, thank you for the opportunity to introduce myself. Cheers.
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A warm welcome to you sir, and you join an increasing number Guzzi owners from your side of the Pond who have found a home on this side. Hope you enjoy it and find it useful.Hug
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Hello, and welcome to the forum.
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Stainless fasteners are a great way to enhance the quality and looks of your bike.

I'm not aware of existing "kits" for Guzzis but you can compile your own personal list and rely partly on what's available at DIY stores (the A2 stamping guarantees the quality), and for more elusive sizes, nylocks and washers, on some firms that take orders for reasonably small quantities like this one:  https://www.westfieldfasteners.co.uk/index.html

I often get comments on how "clean" my 39 year-old T3 looks, I think much of it is due to there being not a single dull or rusted fastener on it (it works hard and is not always that clean...).

Enjoy your Guzzi !


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If you are replacing a high tensile bolt then A4 80 is the grade to use. It is, in fact, a high tensile stainless steel.

https://www.westfieldfasteners.co.uk/ScrewBolt_M.html

You can check out the different material grades above.

Edited by Dave P. - 08 Oct 2018 at 09:49
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Originally posted by Dave P. Dave P. wrote:

If you are replacing a high tensile bolt then A4 80 is the grade to use. It is, in fact, a high tensile stainless steel.

https://www.westfieldfasteners.co.uk/ScrewBolt_M.html

You can check out the different material grades above.

That's an interesting distinction I was not aware of.
I used A2 throughout, the most stressed being probably the brake caliper bolts, with no issue (so far).
If A4 80 is equivalent to 8.8, how do you know what threshold it's required at ?
Are there tables based on tightening torque ? I can't find any...
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TO LIVE OUTSIDE THE LAW YOU MUST BE HONEST.

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Not quite.

This applies to BOTH A2 and A4, but how do you decide which one is required, was my question.

It looks like the cost of one is twice that of the other, I'm wondering if the extra cost is justified in motorcycle applications and if so, where ?

Just wondering Ermm 


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I could be wrong about this but I had the impression that A2 is a general all round construction standard and A4 is more corrosion resistant suitable for use in marine environments. Could be totally wrong as no doubt someone will be eager to point out!Wink
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https://www.westfieldfasteners.co.uk/ScrewBolt_M.html      It's all here Bob.
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Originally posted by BobV7 BobV7 wrote:

I could be wrong about this but I had the impression that A2 is a general all round construction standard and A4 is more corrosion resistant suitable for use in marine environments. Could be totally wrong as no doubt someone will be eager to point out!Wink

That's exactly what I understand from marine sites, but the strength seems to differ too.

Probably akin to the difference between regular aluminium and tempered marine "anticorrodal", "dural", "avialu", WHY...
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I seem to remember bolts having 8.8 stamped on the head which I think related to their tensile strength? So swapping like for like should be a safe bet, unless a customiser wants to polish the markings off!
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Originally posted by Theomarakas Theomarakas wrote:

Then there was a revelation....you can actually have fun on a bike doing 60 mph instead of 160 mph. 


Welcome  !  I couldn't agree more !
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