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    Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 08:55
Hi everyone, 

Since I broke the throttle cable (there is a thread on this) and after becoming wise about the technical terms (I was equivocating the use of the word "switchgear" and "throttle assembly") I decided to order the original "lego" part, put on the bike a new original cable and use the all original setting. This is in order to avoid having to ride around with a "custom" part that would take a long time to have redone if anything happens. I am satisfied (after calling Gutsibits) that the Tommaselli product would require a cutom cable; therefore, "Lego" it is.  

As a result, back in August I wanted to order from Gutsibits the part ELA14455


I emailed back in August to know when availability would be, and they told me around 10 working days. I checked a couple of times and there was still no availability; this morning also no availability, so I have written to them asking about it. 

The well-known German shop Stein-Dinse has this


It seems the same part to me, but again I do not even know the difference between "switchgear" and "throttle assembly" so I am a bit cautious. 

I have also asked Stein Dinse whether their product is a new production or whether it comes from old Mandello parts as I want to avoid an original, Seventies-era spare part at all costs. 

Do you think it is the same part and possibly the same producer? I trust both Gutsibits and Stein Dinse, but I want to avoid the reliability issues of the old Lego parts.  

Thanks to all

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It seems the same part to me, but again I do not even know the difference between "switchgear" and "throttle assembly" so I am a bit cautious. "
 
Ok, to clarify as best I can, maybe somebody can do it clearer?.
 
 
Pictures in BOTH links depict switchgear that incorporate the throttle assembly, see below,
 
my picture in your previous thread, see below, is a throttle assembly ONLY.
Switchgear NOT incorporating the throttle assembly will look like this, see below. When using the items in  pics 2 & 3 in this post the switchgear slides onto the handlebars followed by the throttle assembly, exactly like the second picture below.
 
 
 
 
It is up to yourself what way you go , everybody will have their own preferences when  doing it  using non standard parts, if you go down the separate switchgear and throttle assembly route it saves you having to open up the switchgear to oil the cable(s).
 


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I went for the Tomaselli dual pull and new 1" wide switchgear it works and the throttle is way smoother I used Yamaha switchgear that is the same as newer Guzzis use there is wiring diag yam-guzzi on This old Tractor
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Originally posted by rbt1548 rbt1548 wrote:

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 if you go down the separate switchgear and throttle assembly route it saves you having to open up the switchgear to oil the cable(s).
 


That little triangular black bit to the left of the cable allows you to remove the cables without disturbing the switchgear (thankfully, as the assembly seems to be attached to the bar in a rather mickey mouse way). You just slip the clip off, pull down on the cables which then allows you to slip that triangular block off then the cables will come out when you roll the twistgrip past the normally closed position.

Getting it all together again can be irritating especially when you're working in a confined space.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mike H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 12:31
You want that version above don't you? "Original lego style". Has twin cable twistgrip and stock cables will / should fit.

Have to confess didn't know about the removable triangular bit. What I used to do was rotate twistgrip to max., grab a cable sleeve, simultaneously release grip and pull down the sleeve, this exposes the cable inner; then keep holding onto it while dribble oil into the exposed sleeve end from my oiling can. Repeat for other cable.
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Thanks to all. Yes, the ideal is to have the entire group (throttle assembly + switchgear) in "Lego Style" but hopefully without the horrible Seventies-quality. Therefore, the link to both Gutsibits and Stein-Dinse which seem (to my untrained eye) to have the same parts, but I might be wrong. 

So the question remains what kind of Lego parts these are: produced new from someone who knows what he's doing, or a remainder from old Guzzi shelves. I wanted to know whether someone has more information as I await the answer from Stein Dinse (which might, or might not, be accurate). 

Thanks to all again 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ken-Guzzibear Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Sep 2017 at 21:26
utterly loathe the lego stuff difficult to work in gloves and awful wet protection the newer Guzzis have same sw gear as jap bikes V11 le mans same as firestorm the EV is same as Yamaha ..... but your bike ...your choice .......
But I tend to cover a fair few miles .....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mike H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Sep 2017 at 00:17
His problem then is getting throttle cables to fit ... which is where we came in ...

By the look of the photos these look same as what was on my Spada in other words "1970's quality".
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote theone&onlymin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Sep 2017 at 13:12
But there again, I love my lego. G5 has lived outside for the past 15 years without a cover and the switches have generally worked well. I may have replaced the odd switch here and there. Stuff wears out so it does.

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On my V1000 G5 I use cali 2 throttle cables they give a big loop but never an issue ...each to their own ....I prefer the more modern switchgear it is more +ve never fails and easy to operate in all weathers ....
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