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    Posted: 20 Feb 2018 at 10:13
i travel to London on business every two weeks or so, yesterday was my most recent visit.   after a three hour delay getting to London City Airport due to fog i eventually got onto the DLR.  it travelled two stops and doors opened at Pontoon Dock.  whilst sitting waiting to move on some shouted ' get out, its going to explode'

i looked to my right and saw a load of smoke, a huge flash followed by a very loud bang.  to say that panic then ensued doesnt give it justice,  the carriage emptied onto the platform and people ran screaming towards the exit, actually pulling their trolley bags with them which them tripped others up and an ensuing pile up of bodies were on the ground being trampled by others - all young and totally freaked out.

i left the train and it was clear that nothing else was happening - no terrorists running about no further 'bomb' - yet.  i stood to the side and waited for the mass to huddle into a corner - what a target if there had been a gunman,  many of them still  clutching their trolley bags.   having done my time in the Police and received training after the Glasgow Rangers disaster in 1971  i knew the dangers of following the crowd and decided to keep well clear.  I saw others obviously looking into the area where the explosion had occured and all appeared ok.

 As it turned out it was an electrical fault that caused the explosion, and yes it was an explosion.  Despite wht the media say it was not a minor incident - it could easily have ended in a crowd panicked fatality as opposed to a couple of injuries.  the Police and Fire did not arrive until about 10 minutes after the incident and the corwd of people fleeing were stopped on the exit stairway for a couple of minutes causing a tail back onto the platform- not that impressive.

so,  is it just Human Nature and the instinct to survive that makes people trample each other into the ground or is it that we just dont care about others.
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This has happened so many times, panic sets in and people just don't think rationally.
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Human panic mode is nasty to witness and that sort of blind panic is so named due to the mass just acting in panic....Animal instinct bangs in ...they will take NO leadership, or advice ....For every 1 trained person 20 panicked folk will trample them .....The media adds to the likelihood as does the softer society, compared to those who experienced say The Blitz ..... The old Stay Calm and Carry on brigade
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Originally posted by Brian UK Brian UK wrote:

This has happened so many times, panic sets in and people just don't think rationally.


It doesn't take panic to stop people thinking rationally.

There was a recent New Scientist article about slow and fast thinking. The former is rational, weighing up the options then coming to a considered decision - the latter an "instinctive" response. Most people find slow thinking hard so tend not to bother and prefer to believe things like "£350 a week for the NHS when we leave the EU" for example.

Fast thinking actually has an evolutionary advantage. Hear that rustle in the undergrowth? It may not be a tiger but you can run away from a gust of wind hundreds of times with no ill effects. Stay put on the odd occasion it is a maneater and curtains.

But it's far less useful in modern society and as suggested can actually be dangerous.
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An interesting and thought provoking post.

Obviously very pleased no one seriouslly hurt in the incident - goes without saying (even though I just did???).

I guess we'd all like to think we'd be calm and rational in a crisis - but would we? Something for all of us to think about...
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I have witnessed this in a hotel , 3am fire alarm goes off every one ran to main stair case even when I shouted Fire exit is here right next to the bedrooms . No one but me and Debs went the quick way out of the hotel . Everyone just followed , lucky it was nothing serious
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ianboydsnr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2018 at 17:27
Not panicking is my forte

Like the time when a colleague chopped off his finger on a bandsaw, and I calmly wrapped his hand and ran him to the hospital,

Or when I was in childcare and a child broke a cup and sliced open his arm, whilst the manager was in full jibbering panic mode, I threw a tea towel at the child and said "you did it, you clean it up" then ran him to hospital, that was the final time the child self harmed
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote johnno Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2018 at 17:33
Originally posted by stuv65 stuv65 wrote:

An interesting and thought provoking post.


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I've spent many years working in theatres and concert halls. People will almost always try to leave by the way they came in. What ever signage you put up, or instructions you give...

Why do you think airline emergency drills bang on about 'the NEAREST exit' and how it may not be in front of you.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote V7Chris Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2018 at 18:50
I still think my next stop would have been M&S to buy some clean underwear. However, consider the role of training as mentioned by Ken. When you next go onto a busy motorway, take a look around you at the other vehicles, less than 5% of the car and bike pilots have ever had any training to drive on motorways but I bet you feel safe(ish)? Safest roads statistically. The problem occurs when things go wrong and the average Joe public doesn't know how to react, or they have put themselves in a compromising situation, too close, too fast, not adware of conditions etc so that when it does go wrong, they can't react appropriately. Effective training hopefully prevents you from putting yourself in that situation in the first place. But! Consider the opposite position, all the training that anti terrorist firearms officers receive didn't prevent an error of judgement with Juan Charles de Menzes on the tube shooting. Training can only prepare you so much. Anyway, enough of my philosophical meandering!
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Some people are not aware of their surroundings, they wander around with earphones in and watching their phones
some are just stupid and dont think
see it all the time
you cant educate pork as my old man used to say
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Hmm that there juan in his own Country the Police shout stop he would stop, instead he vaulted the barrier ...they followed their training ... the issue with any firearm is if you use it ...more chance of it being deadly than not .....Anyone trained to use firearms often does not "like" them.....As in these situations there is no time to be rational ...split seconds and it is training ... folk who have never been in a situation often freeze and look around....check out a backfire on a high street ...When following a m8 on a Le Mans through Farnham it double backfired I saw 3 guys literally hit the deck .........
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Originally posted by rapheal rapheal wrote:

Some people are not aware of their surroundings, they wander around with earphones in and watching their phones
some are just stupid and dont think
see it all the time
you cant educate pork as my old man used to say

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Originally posted by Brian UK Brian UK wrote:


This has happened so many times, panic sets in and people just don't think rationally.
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