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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian UK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2018 at 20:20
Unless it's given as a gift.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote iansoady Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2018 at 10:26
The "Keeper" business goes back to the days of the buff / green log books. I have the original from my Norton (1952) and the wording is the same there.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ken-Guzzibear Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2018 at 12:45
It out dated , how do you prove YOU are the owner of a vehicle, many yrs ago A very good friend split up with his wife she drove off with his very nice almost new Mercedes, brought it back BUT a few months later her solicitor wrote to the dvla saying she was the owner, she wasn't but they duly send out a new log book and she sent a company to collect the car ..... which she later sold! often wondered if he had gone to a forecourt with his bill of sale etc and the keys and just driven it away ....leaves one somewhat out on a limb...I have always had a bill of sale dated and at one time signed over a postage stamp ...as proof of ownership ....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Oafski Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2018 at 13:25
I can remember receipts being signed over a stamp, I think it was the old 2d and they were brown in colour. Looking further I found the following on the net.

It appears that the requirement for putting stamps on receipts was brought in by the 1891 Stamp Act in order to raise money for the Government. The 1920 Finance Act specified that any receipt for something worth £2.00 or over should have a twopence stamp attached. If it didn’t then the receipt was apparently not valid in a court of law(1). Stamps on receipts were abolished by the 1964 Finance Act http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1964/jun/18/new-clause-abolition-of-stamp-duty-on

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The 1964 attempt to introduce a repeal of the stamp duty on receipts was actually, on the suggestion of govenment members, not approved by the committee, despite arguments suggesting that it was an inefficient wasteful practice and far from always observed. Inland Revenue estimated its yield as around £2m a year.

On 24 January 1970 the Times had a longish piece about a Private Member's Bill to abolish it. It was still apparently due on any non-cheque receipt for more than £2, even a shop one. It was eventually the 1970 Finance Act that repealed the relevant sections 101-103 of the Stamp Act 1891. On 15 December the Times said:

"The 2d. stamp duties on cheques, promissory notes and receipts are to be abolished from February 1 next year. Claims for repayment of duty on unused cheques must be made before that date."

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian UK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2018 at 14:19
Now if vehicle registration was the same as ship registration in the UK, it would be so much easier. The ship registration document gives title to the person or persons named. Marine mortgages are entered on it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mike H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2018 at 20:12
If you got a company car you're not the owner, it's not yours, but it's for your use and is kept at your home address so you're the keeper. Ditto if it's bought on finance, again you don't own it until last instalment is paid, but it's kept at your home address. So you're the keeper. Makes sense to me.








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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jerry atric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2018 at 21:21
Good point. Why Couldn't there be another bit for someone who actually owns the vehicle?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ken-Guzzibear Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 2018 at 11:09
All company cars I have ever used the log book was in the Companies name not mine .....I may have been a keeper but the log books were registered to the company, so any traffic offences went via them, still do ...so it is not that simple
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mike H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 2018 at 15:44
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote iansoady Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 2018 at 15:54
That's a very interesting read.

However, when I had company cars for many years I never had the V5 in my name and in fact always had to get a letter from the owners when I took it out of the country to say it was OK.....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ken-Guzzibear Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 2018 at 19:03
The dvla website has loads of info, sadly a lot can be very misleading and often not actually up to date vis a vis the historic element there go read it .....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mike H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Feb 2018 at 22:40
Then we've got no chance of making sense of it LOL


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rapheal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Feb 2018 at 18:33
Thats interesting, as for many years I have owned a classic car, and all of the origional paperwork came with it, I wondered why the origional receipt had a stamp attached to it

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