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    Posted: 18 Feb 2018 at 11:46
Just been checking this as my V1000 was actually first reg on 3 Feb 1977 SO on reg it does not qualify until January Next year ....bloody rip off However reading the data they also go on vehicle MANUFACTURED date, knowing that Guzzis in the 70's were 1/3 more than an equivalent Jap bike they did not fly off the showroom floors, also manufactured in Italy there is likely to be at least acouple of month gap SO went in and checked the Vin plate ....Year of manufacture is clear as 1975 !!!!! so it if off to dealers next week to get that confirmed then the post office to get Historic Veeee hikkle status Well worth taking a look see on your bike if first reg between 77-78 ...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ranton_rambler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2018 at 19:01
How is something that the government have voluntarily given us for nothing a rip off?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kateguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2018 at 19:16
Agree Ian....tho I've always thought theres an ulterior motive
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well look at the website you have to apply when in truth they have the records. Then had the bike been made/registered Feb 77 you will not get the 40 yr entitlement until Jan 2019 ..... they take tax monthly, they have the registration docs that include the VIN plate therefore the manufactured date .....They manage to send by e-mail auto invoice so they can easily using exactly the same records automatically impose the Historic Vehicle status. The idea is they are not often used that much and most have paid road fund tax for 40 yrs .....with the changes in Tax over those years it is difficult to figure out what they had taken but in the last 10 yrs it has been over £500 .....so most owners have paid more than the value of the org cost of the vehicle. What I find irritating is although this is "Road fund Tax" they do not actually spend it on the roads they also take the fuel tax and spend that on the roads but conveniently forget the RFT when talking about inc fuel tax to pay for road repairs ..... omg .............it became a rant ....oooops ....
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So let’s employ more civil servants to keep an eye on your bike’s dates, rather than you doing it yourself.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mike H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2018 at 21:10
It's actually called Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) but no there's no guarantee what they'll spend it on.

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VIN plates only apply to newer bikes, although I take the point that they have the first registration dates on the V5 to automatically swap to Historic when applicable. But I don't see the problem with the owner having to do a little bit of paperwork to get something free though. My Spada should be able to swap over next year. I see it as nice bonus but not an entitlement.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote iansoady Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2018 at 10:31
For the more paranoid amongst us, the original free road tax for over-25s (at the time) was introduced in 1995 (IIRC) so the conspiracy theories don't hold water.

And it's not been called road fund duty for decades.
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Totally see your point and maybe I am being pedantic, BUT it gets dafter as IF you look on DVLA website re historic Vehicles they go from January ...as the Bike manufacture date is 1975 I thought I would call the DVLA, Lovely Welsh Lady Maggs told me the date of manufacture was NOT entered way back by the Dealer who first registered the bike SO it goes as Feb 1977. To alter that now would require confirmation from The Manufacturer ...Guzzi ...yeah right .... However she helpfully looked into it whilst we chatted on the phone and informed me it WILL become Historic (lovely Welsh accent somehow made that sound fantastic like "istoooriik!" after April as the TAX financial year changes ie at the end of the 2017 tax year....so worth a bit of research ...However they could make it a bit easier to understand on the website I thought ....as in a vehicle becomes able to have Historic status at the end of the 40th TAX Year ....but again just me being pedantic.... Have to say the phone was answered in reasonable time and Maggs was really friendly and helpful sorted the issue .... so top marks there.
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Thats interesting, I thought the bike had to be registered before the end of January to be historical. Really confused now. my Cali is 1977 so I had better double check. Good investigation Ken.
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I wrote this for our local club newsletter. It's about using old style number plates but explains the historic vehicle business as well.

Historic Black and Silver Number Plates.

In the last few years there have been some changes to the rules about which vehicles can be fitted with old style plates. Not so long ago it was really easy. If a vehicle was constructed before 1st January 1973 it could be fitted with the traditional style. If built after that date it couldn’t.

For some reason that I can’t fathom, in April 2015, the rule was changed. Obviously, old pre January ’73 vehicles can still show old style plates but now, in addition, a newer vehicle in the “historic” tax band can do so as well. If it hasn’t been registered as “historic” it can’t. Confusion reigned for a while as the DVLA themselves neglected to update their own website while the FBHVC etc. announced the changes.

The system for registering a vehicle as “historic” applies to vehicles constructed (not first registered) more than 40 years ago but, of course, it’s not quite as simple as that. On 1st April 2015 vehicles built before 1st January 1975, i.e. in 1974, could be registered and wear the old black number plates. Being a rolling system, as of 1st April 2017 vehicles manufactured before 1st January 1977, i.e. up to 1976, were included. This means that today, if you have a vehicle manufactured during 1977 it might already be 40 years old but you have to wait until 1st April before you can reregister it as “historic” when you can also change to a black and silver plate if you want.

Originally the change to reflective plates, white at the front and yellow at the back, must have been made for good reason but the change in regulations mean that vehicles which couldn’t have black and silver plates originally can now.
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more simple as a deck chair! lol As with many Government Departments they make something that ought to be simple and easy to do ..... confusing and overcomplicated. The 40 year old should be just that 40th birthday if you will they can now take money monthly so it ought to be the month end of the 40th yr ....but yes I know it is a freebie, but why make it so difficult, like they won't take the vin plate as evidence even from a main dealer ....it has to be the manufacturer ....
It has always tickled me that the name on the logbook is only a keeper not the owner ....it always seemed to me they have built in get out clauses in just about everything made Yes Minister so clever ....
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Yellow plates back and white plates front was a safety thing, they are reflective.

The "keeper" business always gets me. What's the idea? The bailiffs on telly never accept a V5 as proof of ownership, its all stoopid (i think)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote red leader one Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2018 at 19:50
Correct me if I'm wrong but in Law where vehicles are concerned and it may be other things but the Owner is the person who buys/pays for it.
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