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    Posted: 12 May 2019 at 22:52
Hi, hope you can help me out with this job.

I have bought some Hepco & Becker engine protector bars. After reading through the instructions I am feeling a little apprehensive. For starters it says: A second person will be helpful. I can get a neighbour - maybe - but he’s not a mechanic.

Here are my worries.

1. I don’t have a centre stand (waiting for it to be delivered from MG) only a side stand. Would it be safe on the side stand?

2. It says support the weight of the engine. Would this best be done while it is vertical or could it be done while it is leaning on the side stand?

3. Would the best way of supporting the engine be the use of a small scissor jack with a piece of wood on the finned sump? Should the piece of wood go from left to right or longitudinally?

4. I have noticed that the original bolt is a socket cap on one end with a lock nut on the other. The H&B bolt is an hexagon - 8.8 steel.

5. Would I need a drift to drive the existing bolt out from the mounting?

6. Should I find a garage to fit it for me? Lol.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

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p.s. I read Mick’s thread about how difficult it is to undo the lock nut.


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All sounds a bit too dodgy, if it means taking engine bolts out then I would say mainstand is needed as a minimum. I also had an engine stand for mine, is like a welded up steel cradle that goes under the sump, you could use a stack of wood and/or bricks, something like that. If memory serves I have used a bottle jack under the sump as a temporary support, when disturbing the front engine bolt but always with the mainstand.





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It’s just the one bolt at the bottom Mike. 10 x 350mm but I share your concern about not having a centre stand. Maybe I’d best get on to the supplier and ask them to hurry it up.

It is the same as this one on here. Hope the image insert works!







Thanks for the help Mike 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mike H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 May 2019 at 23:36
Oo-er that link took me to homeimprovements.com! Ouch All sbout DIY and home furnishings.

I am now running a virus scan in case my DNS is corrupted...

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I’ve deleted it now. Should have been okay as it was from SD Moto Parts. Address bar on Firefox shown it as secure.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Mike H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 May 2019 at 23:54
It looked exactly like what happened to my own site a few years ago. I was running Google banner ads, but one or more had code attached, that forced a browser redirect, in my case to an American search engine. So if I (and presumably anyone else) tried to view some of my pages, instead get this search engine site. I had to uninstall and reinstall the browser and delete the DNS cache to get rid of it. I have just deleted the cache and next I'm going to delete all cookies. Virus scan is running now.


Getting back to the engine bolt, yes that's what I imagined. Ideally need to securely support the frame (mainstand), then the sump, preferably on blocks of wood, a jack should be OK if sturdy.









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Many Thanks Mike.

Not sure what happened with that link - a bit beyond my knowledge. I did a Google search on iOS IPad and it gave that site. I didn’t get any re-directs or ads and the F-Fox address bar had the green padlock and shield otherwise I wouldn’t have posted it.
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I've done quite a bit of stuff to a Tonti recently, using only a scissor stand (with a slab of polystyrene between jack and sump) and that involved taking out fore and aft frame bolts, and the centre stand, so I was in a similar place.

Totally do-able, but the only thing I'd offer is that the whole thing did feel a little wobbly, but never to the point that I felt I was about to be crushed. A couple of operations I did get a non-motorcycle friend just to lend a 'third hand' to steady things. But I did feel that it would have been nice to have 'tied down' with a couple of straps or something ... last time I checked, though, my drive didn't have any conveniently cemented-in anchor ties. You work with what you have, right?

I did suss out that things were steadier with the scissor jack oriented 'across' the sump, rather than neatly under it (mine's a rectangle, almost exactly the dimensions of the sump).

Hope this helps. Oh. Loosen up any of the potentially tough nuts and bolts *before* you crank it up onto the scissor jack - that's the sort of operation that might make you wonder if the whole plot is 100% secure.
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Cheers Barry. Good tip about loosening bolts first. Hadn’t thought about polystyrene.

Have a pleasant day.

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Years ago the method was to use a beer crate under the sump, did that more than once on my V1000 as long as you pack it with wood if necessary, the trick is to support the sump at exactly level so engine bolts come out without having to bash them yes a drift but gentle tap is all , yrs later i bought a "Sears" lift hydraulic fits under sump. With NO centre stand as my V11 Le Mans was I found that using 2 axle stands placed under front footrest mounts I could ease the bike from sidestand up onto the axle stand on the right then kick the left hand one under that side it held the bike central YES easier with help but do able on a V11 so way easier on a V7.... once supported ...I have now got lifts but for years used Heiniken crate then moved on to a cut off Formica worktop with wood blocks .....When you do clutch the centre stand comes off anyway so some sort of platform is a must......

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Thank You Ken.

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Hi Diavolo, I have fitted ( to my V7II ), a pair of Hepcko & Becker engine protector bars. I had also firstly fitted a Hepcko & Becker centre stand . . . The job was a "piece of cake" . . . Wait for your centre stand, then fit the engine bars. With the bike on the new stand, it is so simple to lift the front of the bike, and then place some handy blocks of wood under the sump. Remember to loosen things first. On the centre stand, the rear wheel is well off the ground, with the wood in place, and the front wheel "just" off the ground, nothing will come crashing down around you. You will sail through it. Hope this helps, Regards, Tony
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