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    Posted: 22 Sep 2018 at 08:55
Hi Guys!
My name is Mark Serjent. I have been biking for well over 40 years and am an aerospace manufacturing engineer. I have just sold my Triumph Tiger 955i and the guy who bought it has a V1000G5 he thinking about selling. Would anyone be king enough to give me some what to check type tips please and a general opinion of this model? I haven't viewed it hey as I want to do some research first. Assuming it is in good condition can anyone give me a guide price please? Gonna search this forum now for tips as well. Many thanks in advance!
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Thinking of Selling usually equates to how much I can get
is he serious or likely to waste your time ?
thats why I ended up buying a new one from a dealer, too many old blokes kept changing their mind and raising the price, and wanting to keep panniers and screens and spares ?????
you would agree a price write down everything thats included ie spares and accessories and origional parts where it has been modified
then it got difficult, they always wanted to keep something or the other or had promised it to a mate !!!

Has it been ridden on a regular basis, been serviced by a competent person or specialist
has it been messed around with
do the linked brakes work
has it been customised ( if so walk away fast)

are you ready for the hassle of an older motorcycle ?
they are great machines capable of travelling far, but being old may have benefited from some pretty shoddy DIY work

are you after an origional machine to ride and enjoy, if so given your background I would recommend visiting one of the many Guzzi specialists and paying  a little more for a machine that is original and well looked after


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Old Guzzis are "different".  Be sure you can live with that (and want to) for starters.  They are slow, rattly, idiosyncratic, with awful torque reaction, slow gear changes and baffling electrical faults.  If that hasn't put you off then welcome aboard!

First question, any idea if it has been used or just sat? They are very robust and will do high mileages easily but lack of use will lead to lots of irritating (but not insurmountable) problems. 
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Hi Mark and welcome to the forum.
 
Guzzis are solid reliable machines that can easily cover 150,000+miles without major issues, as long as they are well maintained. The trouble is too many people confuse the apparently simple design with the ability for the inexperienced to keep them in good shape. As one of the most successful Guzzi racing engineers said to me recently: "Guzzis are not simple, they are only as simple as they need to be". Having said that an aerospace engineer will have no problems understanding and executing the necessary maintenance tasks.
 
Things I would check over and above the documents and the usual visuals applicable to any used vehicle purchase:
 
Check the front engine mounting bolt turns - they have a tendency to stick if not lubricated and especially if the bike has been standing and they can be a devil to fix.
 
Check the brake caliper bleed nipples are not seized - see above.
 
Check if it still has the original airbox and air filter system. I'll go against the group-think here and say I would prefer a bike with the original unmessedwith setup. If it has been replaced, what air filters (if any) are fitted and is there a Le Mans-type breather box (black thing about 4inx 3in x3in) just inboard of the distributor/points instead? Are there signs of oil leakage and general mess in that area. These are not unfixable but are a useful bargaining point.
 
Check what the charging voltage is with the engine running at various revs. Expect ~12.8 under 2,000-2,880 revs and up to 13.8 above that. This confirms (or otherwise) the current (sorry) status of the rotor, stator, regulator and rectifier. Does the charging light go out COMPLETELY - a glow is the start of an interesting debugging journey...
 
Get the rear wheel off the ground and check the rear wheel bearings by wiggling the wheel across the frame. bearings are cheap and easy but the drive-side bearing carrier can wear, causing a loose bearing fit.
 
Spin the back wheel with your hand resting on the UJ - does it rumble? I also use a long screwdriver with the soft end in my ear and the pointy end on the UJ carrier.
 
Check the camchain tension by running the engine and listening with the long screwdriver as above -  a rustle is good, a clatter is bad (also see the front engine mounting bolt problem if it clatters).
 
Check the tappets with the long screwdriver. A noisy Guzzi is a happy Guzzi, tight tappets are expensive in the long run. But do both sides sound like a fast clock or is there any nasty noise.
 
Check the foot control carriers and linkages - a good owner will keep these tip-top so rusty or loose parts are a bargaining point. If you are paranoid take a deep look at the clutch operating mechanism on the back of the gearbox: remove the battery and battery rubber to see from above or crawl underneath. It may be dirty and oily but is the Clevis pin (? - is that the right term?) seized and are the adjusters loose (note, not the cable free paly adjusters on the outside)?
 
Does it have electronic ignition? Lucas Rita (silver ribbed alloy amplifier) can be fernickity and some here hate it with a vengeance - I think it is fine. Piranha/Newtronic (black plastic box with logo) is less fernickity and it retains the standard advance/retard mechanism and coils - I think it is also fine.
 
What is the condition of the seat base?
 
Does it have standard handlebar switches and multiway plugs (see rear of headlight) - the original "Lego" switches are absolutely fine and totally reliable until an "expert" decides to mess with them, this is more likely on old Guzzis. Personally, I would open the headlight bowl and whip the tank and side panels off to confirm the state of the whole harness. Check the fuse box at the rear of the right side panel - is it messed with or clean?
 
Lastly guide price: a dog with many of the above problems is only worth £1,500 while a minter with none of the above could go above £4,000.
 
Hope that helps.
 
Why not take some photos, post them here and let the hive mind comment.
 
Good luck with your purchase.
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I can Echo everything Gianni says
I regularly see an old guzzi with 300K on the clock
lots of long runs and oil changes
and as the bikes age an origional one will always be worth more
I tried to buy a nice Spada 15 years ago, but the owner kept messing about taking bits off and fiddling with it
I saw it a few months ago and it looks a sorry mess
my modernish guzzi is only used for long runs, get serviced by a very skilled motorcycle mechanic ( half Italian) and I thrash the nuts off it all over Europe
things do go wrong now and again but I usually get plenty of warning, and take it to Antonio for adjustments/repairs


why not come along to a club meet and chat to a few people, or even advertise for a machine on this excellent site or the other site ? 

you will love every minute of Guzzi Ownership, even the breakdowns !!!
oddly on my travels I tend to see lots of big Beemers ( great tough motorcycles) Pan Euro Hondas with ballistic mileage on them, triumph twins, and guzzis especially older ones
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Welcome to the forum. I bought my Cali from an old bloke who was thinking about selling and he didn’t mess me about in fact he snatched me hand off! if you’re an engine basher then it’s a doddle to look after but helpful if you can understand electrics. It’s all about the price really. Expect the charging light to glow at SLOW tickover. Ken Guzzibear will be along shortly to wax lyrical about the v1000 just jump in and buy it.
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Hi and welcomeThumbs Up
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Hi and welcome. Everything as previous posts.
If the price is right buy it. 
You will either love it or hate it. 
If Guzzi's are not for you can always sell it, prices will not go down. But be prepared to become addicted and wanting to buy more Guzzi's
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Guys - a thousand thanks for the great replies!
Firstly my apologies for the awful typos on my original post - I didn't have my glasses on!

The bike is local and I am welcome to view it. What I do know is that his son found it 16 years ago buried behind all sorts of stuff during a garage clearout of the sons boss. Said boss did many Euro trips on it many years ago then stored it. The chap who owns it said he did it up over the first year of ownership and has ridden it a reasonable amount but I don't know how much. I do know it has an aftermarket fairing, can't remember the make, but it is fitted with K & N's which I hate, but it does have the original airbox & rubbers, headlight and panniers and apparently a few boxes of other spares.
I'm not afraid of a bike needing work. I have owned many Laverdas, Ducatis, Bimotas, used to race for a few years etc so know all about pernickitiness ha ha!
I have built quite a few projects such as a Wayne Rainey YZR500 replica by heavily modifying an RD500LC, built Tritons, restored many bikes such as Goldwings (which looked like a ships anchor when I started and ended up almost as new), and to reinforce my practical nature - or is that masochisitic (?), I own a Triumph Stag and have completely rebuilt 2 of the original engines, restored the interior and fully refurbished the electrickery.
At the end of the day, no job on a motorcycle is difficult as long as you have the right tools, do your research first, can swear with the best of 'em and have lots of tea!
I will have a look at the beast soon - maybe even tomorrow and get back to you all with some news.
Thanks again chaps, your great replies are much appreciated
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Just to clarify a point, the bloke who owns it now is the father of the son mentioned in my previous text and I believe he bought it shortly after it was uncovered, being approx. 16 years ago
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Hello, and welcome to the forum. There's nothing like a good project to get you to know your machine.
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Morning all,

Yes I have frequently justified stripping a bike just to get to know it.
Well I just went to have a look at it and it wasn't a very successful visit as the bike wasn't easy to look around as the garage was very cluttered and it was raining so didn't take it out.
However it seemed a pretty genuine and overall fairly sound bike. The owner seems a genuine bloke too and said it had no problems of any kind, but I won't be leaving out a thorough check of all the usual stuff plus the points kindly mentioned by your goodselves.
What I can say for now is the lego switches seem unmolested and it fired straight up from cold sounding mechanically silent to my ear whilst stood up and without noticeable smoke. Trouble is it didn't stay running for long as it wasn't happy - I am fairly confident the 3 year old petrol in it is the culprit - either that and/or the carbs are gummed up. I can ultrasonically clean them if I buy it. This is the time it has been unridden for other than the monthly start up. During the short running period the oil light went out readily and the charging light went out but glowed again as the revs dropped to a very slow tickover due to the motor struggling to keep going.
It seems to have stainless mudguards - are these standard please? Also, it has a stainless exhaust. The general paintwork on the frame is as you would expect from a 1980 40k mile bike, not rusty but a bit scruffy. The tank and side panels have been resprayed to match the twin headlight red Mach fairing and a good T cut would improve this but I prefer original shades. The seat base was sound and it has a spare seat but with a split cover which I didn't get to see. I managed to give the rear wheel a good yank and there is no play, but that's about as far as I got as regards checks due to access.
Next weekend I hope to have a better look and hopefully a ride.
More on this story later chaps!
Have a good Sunday tinkering/ riding etc.!
I'm off to put the finishing touches to the Stag V8 engine rebuild
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Mark

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well thats winter sorted then !!
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Ha ha, maybe Raphael...maybe
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At least you won't have to paint the mudguards, stainless is correct
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