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Ken-Guzzibear
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Posted: 17 Oct 2014 at 15:27 |
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Easy to fix the sensor has an "o" ring it fails so the Guzzi mod is replace said "o" ring and add gasket sealant as well the alloy spacers are there to keep the gap on the internals correctly easily measured if you have to replace them. By the way the actual sensor is £167 + from Guzzi But fear not compadre's it is a Magneti Marelli SEN-813 as used on many Fiat/Lancia/Alpha cars as well as Ducati and MV F4 Brutale the MV part is £39 ish new and the car one circa £34 .... the spacers are unique to your bikes crank so a new sensor should be good with the same spacing.... I am gobsmacked at how Guzzi has the brass to charge over £130 MORE than say MV
I am leaving this link BUT this place took a week to tell me no part available and a further 3 days to refund paypal so I DO NOT RECCOMEND THEY BE YOUR 1st CHOICE
Edited by Ken-Guzzibear - 13 Nov 2014 at 15:53 |
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Got mine from here arrived quickly straight replacement and a HELL of a lot less than the Guzzi part.
See Table Below For Exact Models REPLACES:
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This intermotor sensor is an exact fit bike runs up ok quick service from the e-bay seller, the emk powershop took a WEEK to tell me they had none and further 2 days to refund my paypal account the car parts dealer had the part to me FREE shipping in 2 days it is a straight swap BUT you DO need to retain the alloy spacers there can be 2-3 of them to maintain the correct internal spacing there should be no need to actually pull the timing chain cover to check as long as you retain oem spacers, pop a new rubber seal in as well as some silicone is the Guzzi advice
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Took the bike for a few mile blast today it seems fine no apparent oil leak I will keep you informed as to how it progresses
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Gianni
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What is the latest understanding of these replacements?
I checked the one Ken recommended and it has three wires: while another version from Germany has two wires: My Quota is showing symptoms of an aging crank sensor (LED code flashing when cold, reluctance to keep running after starting) but has a two pin connector like the second above. Also both examples above have a sideways exit wire whereas the Guzzi sensor wires emerge from the top - slightly concerned as to whether it could foul the crancase. The Stein-Dinse part is 58 Euros (so not too bad) and clearly matches the one on my bike: Edited by Gianni - 08 Aug 2020 at 09:00 |
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look at the part number on your existing one mate then x ref it the one on the V11 Le Mans and Cali EV and is Marelli SEN-813 ...the one you have on your Quota must be a different part no. The Marelli one I recently replaced on my Cali EV , as did a m8 in Nottingham the part was £25 ish straight swap no drama ...I did get the O ring a bit off and it leaked oil so whipped it out and replaced the O rind all good, this was in the last few weeks. Guzzi, as you know, often use basic car parts so I guess that is just a different part number
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Gianni
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The Guzzi part number for the V11 LM, etc. is 01721600 which has the right angle exit and three-pole connector, so yes different from that on the Quota https://www.stein-dinse.biz/product_info.php?products_id=446521
The Guzzi part numberfor the Cali EV , Quota, etc. is 29721660 which has the vertical exit and two-pole connector https://www.stein-dinse.biz/product_info.php?products_id=215475 So which variation did you fit to your Cali EV and where did you get it please?
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Don't look at Guzzi part no look at The manufacturers part no on the EV it is clearly marked Magneto marelli SEN-813 i then x referenced it ...looked on e-bay ....asked seller if it x refed to SEN-813 .... job done
Car parts places have x ref books so can check
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Gianni
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Thanks Ken and for the PM.
I checked my sensor(s) (upside down in the garage using a torch and magnifying glass :) ) as you suggested and they are labelled Magneti Marelli SEN8T. That is definitely a different part to SEN-813. The UKGSer substitute Guzzi parts page confirms that your EV should use the SEN-813 and my Quota 1000 should use SEN8T (https://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php/350468-more-non-Moto-Guzzi-replacement-parts?s=12ca663f1af93029dd0ff35315c7d08e) But weirdly this is different from the two wire connection showed in the Carl Allison wiring diagram for the Cali EV (but his diagrams are not always 100% and may reflect US specifications). And different from the part numbers offered by Stein-Dinse for the Cali EV (who may have the fittings incorrect in this case) for the Cali EV. Just shows that multiple sources may concur but still be wrong. Writing it up here so the next confused person has some clues |
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Search the SEN-8T it is a fiat part £59 ish e-bay they are 2 wire the 813 is 3 wire as usual Guzzi fitted different parts to same models the 02 Le mans and 03 EV are most certainly the 3 wire 813 A search shows the SEN 6E replaces the SEN8T
INTERMOTOR 18750 Direct replacement for SEN-8E at £8.93 e-bay once you x ref you have a lot more choice looked on the Marelli site to find SEN-8T replaced by the SEN-8E but on the 8E the cable is 400mm BUT the intermotor replaces both cable length 460mm hope this helps buddy ....there will be other aftermarket ones too like Lexmark as SEN8E fitted to a whole range of Italian cars and Ford cars took me a while to get the x link from 8T to 8E ....then it was easy |
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Yes, I'd spotted the change from SEN8T to SEN8E
This is the cheapest I have found: https://www.onlinecarparts.co.uk/stark-13636718.html @ £4.95!!!!
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Kinda makes the point make sure you keep the shims and do not squeeze the o ring, if you get it slightly out you will find it popping and banging
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