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    Posted: 03 Dec 2022 at 10:23
Hi Everyone,

My question is kind of two fold and relating to my V7iii Night Pack-

So I can't really see and reliably safe way to lift the rear of the bike for wheel removal using a traditional Paddock Stand so it looks as though I am going to have to fit a Centre (Main) Stand. I'm leaning towards the Hepco and Becker version as it has an adjustable positive stop to prevent it from clouting my Mistral Shorty cans whereas with the genuine Moto Guzzi option I would have to buy and fit a 'stop' from Mistral to do that job.

Does anyone here have any experience with either of these please- Pros/Cons etc?

Mistral Pipes:

Secondly, in order to fit the stand the Fuel Evap Cannister has to be re-located but as it's 'Euro emsissions imposed thing' I am going to simply remove it completely and run a breather tube direct from the fuel tank to vent into the atmosphere and then cap off the vacuum spigot on the inlet manifold thus stopping it from at best venting through the filler cap and at worse pressurising the fuel tank itself.

Anyone else done this?

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Any other thoughts, suggestions etc. obviously very welcome- cheers!
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There is no Centerstand (below the center of gravity) for the V7iii, only a paddocstand fixed to the bike. They call it a centerstand although it only lifts the read wheel. The front wheel still stands on the ground with 40kg. Be sure when you have it on the stand that you secure it with a strap as the bike falls of it very easily. With the stand, the canister don't have to be removed, only relocated.

EDIT: link to picture of canister with "centerstand" installed.


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Originally posted by R100CS R100CS wrote:

There is no Centerstand (below the center of gravity) for the V7iii, only a paddocstand fixed to the bike. They call it a centerstand although it only lifts the read wheel. The front wheel still stands on the ground with 40kg. Be sure when you have it on the stand that you secure it with a strap as the bike falls of it very easily. With the stand, the canister don't have to be removed, only relocated.

Thanks for your reply, yes I appreciate that it is a 'Main Stand' rather than a true 'Centre Stand' although in my experience of bike fitted with them they are seldom truly in the centre and either have a forward or rear weight bias- that is not my issue.

I just wonder if anyone has opinions on the genuine Guzzi stand (now has to be bought as an accessory) or the Hepco and Becker version?

I know that in both cases they say to relocate the Evap Cannister but it is a pointless and potentially troublesome item that until some Eurocrat decided would be better for the environment no motorcycle ever had fitted.
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TLM fitted the H&B version on mine, when I discussed with them that I was looking for a real centerstand, they had a look at the MG one, but that had the same problem. Still planning on a real centerstand like my BMW's have/had
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I lift via the sump



No need to lug about bits of scaffolding every ride, is transferable if you sell the bike and let's you work on either end.

St.Gretas box can just be removed and the pipe going to the solenoid plugged





These are an 850, but I used the same lift on my 750 and believe the stink box is same installation.

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Well, I use a M-G mainstand on mine (a V7 850) with the Mistral stop that replaces the similar item it had when the original bunged up drainpipe-alike silencers were fitted. So it now has shortie Mistrals and the same make mainstand stop. (The original cannot be used). Although I originally intended only to de-gut the bi-valve and bung up the vacuum pipe connected to the plastic baked bean can filled with carbon bits, in the end I removed the can. The official mainstand is not particularly easy to use but it doesn’t bother me much because I only use it in the garage. I have a homemade wedge with a metal stop on the end; I use it to run the front wheel of my bikes up, then put the bike on its mainstand, a task which is really easy and even worked well on my Crossrunner, on which the pivot of the mainstand was way too far back - it had to be because of the exhaust pipes under the crankcase. Personally I much prefer having a mainstand - to hell with the extra weight - being of slight build anyway I bet the all-up weight of rider/bike is less than most without a mainstand. By using a small scissor jack and a piece of wood, the front wheel can easily be raised off the ground for maintenance and front wheel removal.
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Originally posted by Flip Flip wrote:

I know that in both cases they say to relocate the Evap Cannister but it is a pointless and potentially troublesome item that until some Eurocrat decided would be better for the environment no motorcycle ever had fitted.

Actually they have been standard fitting on US models for many years (California regs I believe). Just search "canisterectomy" on any US forum. Getting rid of them solves many potential issues.
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Yes, they have. It is indeed California; owners have been removing them there for as long as manufacturers (not just M-G) have been fitting them. TBH I wouldn't bother relocating what can be a source of issues, especially on the E5 V7 850 which suffers a flat spot, and iffy hot starting, both of which a canisterectomy or disabling it solves. A remap is better still if the exhausts have been replaced with something fruitier. Better than that is both.....
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