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MG-XXX
Guzzino Joined: 20 Oct 2019 Location: Las Vegas, NV Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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Posted: 20 Oct 2019 at 03:38 |
Hello all
New to the forum from Las Vegas. My first MG and "bagger", the MGX-21. So looking forward to learning from the experience, knowledge and skills I'll find here. I hope to meet anyone near who would like to ride some of the western US' beautiful country. Also looking for any aftermarket gear you find fits and functions well with the MGX. I have crash bar, all seat options, rear seat cover and back support, head protectors, all footpeg options and the Mistral slip-ons coming. I asked if I would need any fuel/air mapping changes with the slip-ons. The answer I got was less than informative. Any advise from the real experts would be appreciated. Ride Safe |
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Barry
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Hello and welcome!
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johnno
Senior Member Joined: 19 Jul 2014 Location: loughborough uk Status: Online Points: 5582 |
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Hi and welcome , what a stand out motorcycle from Moto Guzzi
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1100 sport corsa , Yam R1, guzzi 650tt rider
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sardineone
Senior Member Joined: 30 Oct 2018 Location: Indiana, USA Status: Offline Points: 443 |
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Welcome to the board from another USA member. Good group here to hangout with.
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George
One owner 86' Lemans 1000 (member of the family) / BMW R1200ST (current work horse) You are what you have ridden! |
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red leader one
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This is the second MGX to arrive here methinks.
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MG-XXX
Guzzino Joined: 20 Oct 2019 Location: Las Vegas, NV Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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Is the MGX not popular in the UK or Europe at large?
My brief experience is that Moto Guzzi is a high-quality manufacturer. I've not spent appreciable time on a Harley or other "bagger", but I'm hooked. This one rides smoothly and is so easy to ride in the turns. I'm curios as to the origins of their unique take on the engine orientation. What did they, and BMW see as the advantage of their designs?
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sardineone
Senior Member Joined: 30 Oct 2018 Location: Indiana, USA Status: Offline Points: 443 |
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To start on the engine designs of the Guzzi 90 degree 'V' & BMW boxer twins both have perfect primary balance which allows a large twin not to shake like crazy. Also initially for better 'air' cooling with their designs. Now I believe the heads are oil cooled by a radiator and the rest of the engine is still air cooled. The dry clutch Guzzi's and BMW's also have the advantage of using proper hypoid gear lube in the transmission instead of engine oil tasked to do triple duty of engine, clutch & tranny lube like in most Japanese bikes. Note the latest BMW's are like the Jap bikes in that they have water cooling and motor oil doing multiple tasks.
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George
One owner 86' Lemans 1000 (member of the family) / BMW R1200ST (current work horse) You are what you have ridden! |
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MG-XXX
Guzzino Joined: 20 Oct 2019 Location: Las Vegas, NV Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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Thank you Sardineone!
Makes sense. Less shaking than a Harley at a light...
So, is a "dry" clutch more robust than a "wet" clutch? When the wife is on, I tend to feather the clutch more than when it's just me. I try not to "ride" the clutch, but do wonder about it as I try to find that sweet-spot where I don't dump it and throw her off, or ride it for 15 yards to get going... BTW, what's the lower RPM I can use without "lugging" this engine? It has tons of power, but not being used to a v-twin, I don't have that comfort when moving about at 10 - 20 MPH in a parking lot or lagging in second or third or keeping revs up in first at a rolling intersection or slow and go traffic. I'm not used to the sound and the power doesn't seem there at lower RPM's... Don't want to burn the clutch or damage this beautiful power plant. |
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MG-XXX
Guzzino Joined: 20 Oct 2019 Location: Las Vegas, NV Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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To clarify...
When just me, this bike acts like a v-twin sport bike. Gets up and goes... With the wife...We're okay after take-off. But navigating slow and go traffic or parking lots has been a lesson. Feet seem to always be down with such a High center of gravity, especially with her on... Not fun at all when waiting in line for a light or check-point at a national park entrance.
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sardineone
Senior Member Joined: 30 Oct 2018 Location: Indiana, USA Status: Offline Points: 443 |
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I'm not the ideal person to ask on your bike as I have no experience with it. But slipping the clutch to get going two up is what the clutch is made for and should be no problem. Now for brutal drag race starts a wet clutch can take more abuse in most designs. You shouldn't have any problems with everyday riding. As to lugging rpm there are many opinions probably out there. Just don't emulate Harleys idling in gear type of behavior. Even with the dated design of my 86' 1000 (70's muscle car technology), with 92-93 octane fuel I can run at 2,500 rpms in any gear except maybe 5th. You have sophisticated engine management & fuel injection to bolster your engines flexibility I'd think to the point of no worries. Hope you get much enjoyment in riding your bike AND of course as a great conversation piece when parking.
Edited by sardineone - 27 Oct 2019 at 01:11 |
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George
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MG-XXX
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Thanks for the reply. I have a lot to learn about this one for sure.
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Ben.
Senior Member Joined: 18 Mar 2015 Location: Lanjaron Spain Status: Offline Points: 937 |
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Interesting conversation here regarding clutches, reminds me of the mess I made trying to ride my little V7 for the first time.
I had arrived at the dealer's on my BMW R100 RS, which would pull away at tickover with its heavy flywheels. It took me three attempts to get going, and learn that the V7 has almost no flywheel effect at all, and needs some revs. It sounds like your "Baggers" are similarly set up, in spite of their size, so bear in mind that you have a proper "inline" automotive type clutch, not some ditzy little thing spinning sideways, so you can give it a goodly fistful of revs and let your clutch out however you need to. If you get the opportunity to ride an older Guzzi, with heavy flywheels, you will notice an appreciable difference. Thanks for a window on a very different world. Saludos from Spain.
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MG-XXX
Guzzino Joined: 20 Oct 2019 Location: Las Vegas, NV Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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So, now getting used to the gawkers. Several times both bikers and cage dwellers can't stop looking at this great machine.
Even had people roll down the windows and ask me about it or make comments... The more I ride, the more I enjoy. above 80 mph around sweeping curves the bike just plants and wants more. So stable and smooth. Just keeps getting better. Any other SW US MGX owners out there? I know Vegas Euro Cycles bought a bunch. Only one other Vegas owner I've seen on here. They say they have had numerous purchasers fly in and ride them home all over the US. Certainly is a unique bike and so far a great purchase for me. Still awaiting install of crash bars, Corbin front/rear seats and new slip-on's for better sound and awareness when navigating heavy traffic. |
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motomike1400
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Hi. Can't comment on the ride of the 21… never even seen one on the road in the UK. But I did have a Cali 1400 Touring for 5 years and 26000miles. Essentially the same bike with a different front end for the big wheel. The Cali was on 18" front, so the ride would be completely different.
I could ride feet up at 10mph, feathering the clutch. Feathering because at low revs the motor would fluctuate between 1000 to 1400 rpm which would surge the bike up to 20mph. Not great in creeping traffic, but got used to it and compensated with the clutch. Once on the move 2500 to 7000rpm, the 1400 comes to life. Rev limit at 7000 is sudden, and unexpected as the motor spins so smooth. Not a problem as it rarely needs to rev that hard. It's nicest to ride on the torque curve from 2750 to 5000…quick enough for most situations, the relentless surge passing traffic is addictive. The clutch was only once an issue, going up Hardknott Pass (1 in 3 hill) in The Lake District, with cars stalling on the steep hairpin bends, forcing me to slip the clutch for some distance. Really didn't want to stop and hold all that weight up off camber. The clutch stank of burning. Once on the level it quickly recovered, and never caused any issue. All in all, one of the bikes I regret selling. It did all I asked of it. 'Cept off roading... don't get onto muddy tracks, nightmare when it sinks axle deep! Got a 2016 Africa Twin for that, and it doubles up as my tourer. Still miss the big Cali though.
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V7 Classic. 1800 Touring Goldwing. Honda Africa Twin 1000. Kawa Z900RS Cafe. SWM300RS. Folding moped thingy.
Though these may change🤔 Now thinking less is more🤔 |
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