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I'd query the Warranty on that starter if I was you Ken

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote iceni Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Oct 2016 at 16:46
I'm about to do the mod re starter wiring and have in stock an in- line fuse with 16g wire, which looks a similar size to the existing cables going to the relay. Would it be ok to use it, or should I go heavier gauge? All advice gratefully received.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian UK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Oct 2016 at 17:14
I didn't go heavier than that, and it works fine. The run is not very long. Most important bit is that you solder the connectors, or crimp with a proper tool.
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Please would someone confirm that in this mod, both pin 30 and pin 87 connect to 12v, via fuses -pin 30 from the ignition switch, & pin 87 always live?

"Beware, this mod alone will not work on some of the later cali models - post '93 - where the headlight is switched off when the starter is pressed. On these you would also have to remove the lights relay and bridge across what would have been the relay contacts, otherwise the relay is energised all the time and will discharge the battery."

 I remember many years ago finding this happened when I tried the mod, and just putting it back to standard... I'm notoriously easily confused, especially when it comes to the spaghetti of wiring... & about 5 years ago I re-routed my lighting power to two mini-relays. The lights still switch off when I press the starter. At the time I made a wiring diagram of what I'd done and put it somewhere safe, but that was somewhere safe on the path to hell -would anyone like to hazard a guess as to whether and which relay contacts I'll have to bridge (& does that mean to fit a jumper cable?)?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DWRDeep Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Mar 2017 at 11:38
I could just take the fuses out every time I stop...

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DWRDeep Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Mar 2017 at 16:28
Mod made & starter cranked immediately, When I think of all the time I've spent dismantling, cleaning and re-soldering solenoids, sanding earth connections... I'm sure it was character-forming... though I'm still flummoxed as to how to rewire to the horn/lights relays so I'll be pulling fuses til either I work it out or someone clarifies. That is an improvement on squatting by the side of the bike and touching together the positive connections between the starter and solenoid. For now, it's worth it!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mike H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Mar 2017 at 17:00
No one's answering cos we can't figure what you did before, the info you lost. If however you're asking how to bridge the headlamp relay I think it's remove relay, then with a wire loop with a male blade on each end, insert into 30 and 87 of relay socket, I think.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DWRDeep Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Mar 2017 at 17:11
Thanks Mike, I'll try that tomorrow (AFAIK I just ran a big fat live via a fuse to two mini relays which power two headlamps, and re-routed the switchgear to them).


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DWRDeep Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Mar 2017 at 21:12
Yes that's it for late Calis, run a fused live from the battery to 87 on the first relay from the left; bridge the two large connectors of the third relay holder, and put the relay into a bag for another day - everything works fine - there doesn't appear to be any drain on the battery.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote magwa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Apr 2017 at 09:21
I've had my bike 10 days. ....it's now doing this😡I've looked at the fix listed here but it's all Greek to me 😩

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First thing check terminals are tight and voltage of battery is good 12.6 volts
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote magwa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Apr 2017 at 15:23
Well I did (12.2 volts )put on trickle charge all morning, sat aboard, put up side stand ( it has no centre stand). Nothing

SO I put it in gear, rocked it, put back in neutral and it started first press,with clutch pulled in.
I was checking it was in neutral just incase the light was on but it's sensor was reading "in gear"
I've known that happen on an old 1200 Triumph Trophy I used to own


Now test ridden Aok

let's see if the battery is down tomorrow?


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I've had a 1200 sport for 8 years and my experience is that the battery and electrical connections need to be in excellent condition. I've found that a minimum voltage of 12.6 volts measured across the battery terminals is necessary, ( the voltage reading on my instruments if different to the reading at the battery and the reading at the starter motor is also different due to voltage drop along wires/connectors.)
The 15 A fuse to the starter has blown on several occasions and I now carry a few spares with me. If you've got a non-modified bike the fuse is located in a block with several others under the seat and identified 'Fuse B'.
If the bike was mine I'd be tempted to buy a new battery for piece of mind as its possible it's been heavily discharged in storage.
If you're not confident to tackle the modification to the starter relay yourself I'd consider finding an Auto Electrician or competent bike shop to carry out the mod - it has proved worthwhile on my bike. The starter relay is situated behind the right hand side panel.
Carrying out the modification should provide you with a dependable bike - it's a pity Guzzi didn't figure it out at the design stage !
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote magwa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Apr 2017 at 10:08


Cheers for that
I will buy a nice odessey battery as I've had them on bikes in the past, fit and forget.
I'm ok on bikes ( old stuff) but computerised modern stuff the electrics are but a mystery.
There are NO competent bike shops within 40miles of my home. A slight downside to rural country life


Edited by magwa - 22 Jun 2017 at 19:48
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