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    Posted: 16 Sep 2017 at 08:33

If you have an older Guzzi this could be good news, vehicles over 40 years old will be exempt from the annual MOT, though any owner can ask for a voluntary MOT if he/she feels the need.


Edited by Brian UK - 18 Sep 2017 at 08:53
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Whilst admitting that I did not read the whole document word for word I did read most of it and tried to pick out the salient points;
 
Any machine over 40 years old from 20th May 2018 is going to be exempt from an Mot, as it is exempt from road tax, but the facility is there to allow any owner to mot their vehicle if they so wish, with a number of reasons given, they are better looked after, less likely to be involved in a RTC, reduction in financial and time outlay for owners, and of course, the inability of some garages and testers to relate to the older vehicles and their idiosyncrasies..... linked brakes?????
 
Being an owner of one that fits into that bracket, and does look after his vehicle to the best of my ability it is beneficial to me, and I am more than happy that such legislation will be coming into force.
 
I will lay money, just as, when the same  pre 1960 exemptions came into force you will have some owners of older vehicles arguing against it, ' people will get slack on maintenance, not look after properly, etc., etc., it should still be mandatory and I will still be getting a MOT and so on'. That may well be the case, but I know for a fact 2 buffoons, (sorry pretentious older vehicle owners), who held/hold those views have of course taken full advantage and not, after all their bluster, submitted their vehicles for a MOT.
 
As for me there is no hypocrisy involved at all I am quite delighted that it will come into force, as we road users don't often get a decent deal from the government, and I doubt I will submit my bike for a MOT, I will look after it the way I normally do but go for a MOT?, extremely unlikely!
 
 
The only wee bit of concern I do have is that from the late '70's onwards, in the bike world, the high powered big bikes were coming onto the scene with ever increasing hp and they had  handling, and on a number of occasions, owners, that didn't match the power so before you know it these bikes will be falling into the exempt bracket, maybe there should be a hp limit for exemption?.
 I may not be the brightest when it comes to legislation so I'm sure the powers that be have already considered that aspect, not just with bikes but with the supercars of the eras that we are now entering time wise.
 
I, as I mentioned, am pleased this piece of legislation will come into force, it makes a change from legislation that demands that should I wish to sell my cucumber it  must only have a bend of less than 20 degrees!
 
 
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According to the research statistics, only 3% of road traffic accidents are caused by mechanical defect, and since the number of vehicles exempted from the MOT is very small compared to the total on the road, I suspect there will at worst, be only a marginal problem.
Remember in France, they have never had any check on motorcycles of any age. They are now having to bring them in for modern bikes.
 
The only worry is that some stupid individuals may take advantage of this and get an old vehicle back on the road for cheap transport. Though the law still requires all vehicles to be in a roadworthy condition.
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Call me a cynic (Chorus of, "You're a cynic") but I can't help but see this as a first step to 'reducing' historic vehicle use. I can see the arguments, "Polluting, not safe, not meeting current standards, etc."
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Originally posted by BondEquipe BondEquipe wrote:

Call me a cynic (Chorus of, "You're a cynic") but I can't help but see this as a first step to 'reducing' historic vehicle use. I can see the arguments, "Polluting, not safe, not meeting current standards, etc."
 
You're a cynic................... but you may indeed have a point! Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jerry atric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Sep 2017 at 18:38
Ha ha. That means my Cali has its final MOT on Tuesday but I am definitely in The cynic camp regarding the future plans of the mandarins
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My car MOT man fails most cars on blown bulbs ,no washer fluid, and non working indicators. I'm in favour of the free mot as i maintain my bikes way beyond whats required . What others do is up to them.


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Originally posted by tonti tonti wrote:

My car MOT man fails most cars on blown bulbs ,no washer fluid, and non working indicators.

However, he just so happens to have a good selection of bulbs and washer fluid always in stock....
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About the legislation though - it seems quite probable that insurers may make an MOT test a mandatory condition of insurance. In which case, no real change. This kind of thing has already happened in parts of the building industry - Gov't reduces legislation to save costs, red tape etc., but the insurers suddenly realise it's not so good for their business. Keep an eye on the small print at renewal time.
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Originally posted by IanB IanB wrote:

About the legislation though - it seems quite probable that insurers may make an MOT test a mandatory condition of insurance. In which case, no real change. This kind of thing has already happened in parts of the building industry - Gov't reduces legislation to save costs, red tape etc., but the insurers suddenly realise it's not so good for their business. Keep an eye on the small print at renewal time.

No. It hasn't happened for the pre 1960 stuff. Insurers will not insist on this. You might find some who will only cover sub 40 yr old bikes going forwards though I suppose.
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Originally posted by cyclobutch cyclobutch wrote:

Originally posted by IanB IanB wrote:

About the legislation though - it seems quite probable that insurers may make an MOT test a mandatory condition of insurance. In which case, no real change. This kind of thing has already happened in parts of the building industry - Gov't reduces legislation to save costs, red tape etc., but the insurers suddenly realise it's not so good for their business. Keep an eye on the small print at renewal time.

No. It hasn't happened for the pre 1960 stuff. Insurers will not insist on this. You might find some who will only cover sub 40 yr old bikes going forwards though I suppose.

Seems to have happened even sooner than I thought:
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mike H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 15:37
Oh yeah.

When you think your bike is still insured while on SORN. Shocked


BTW that link goes to board index, the real link is:
https://www.motoguzziclub.co.uk/phpbbforum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=28004

But yes is private topic, need to be a logged in member.

The gist:
Carol Nash and other insurance companies' cover become void if bike has no MOT certificate. (Meaning expiry of cert. at 1 year since last test.)

Hence, check with your insurer before considering SORN. Shocked



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Edited by Mike H - 13 Jan 2018 at 15:40
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That reads
"No current and valid Mot " you must inform your insurance company as your bike is considered to be a "Project"

Quite how the National Motorcycle museum gets on with this "crap " who knows

I'm with Carole nash ( since 1980) this is a new one on me
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mike H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 18:13
Used to do this all the time, declare SORN and let MoT expire, of course before SORN just let the tax expire as well. Was as a matter of course, especially if taxed for 6 months only. BUT always insured, just in case some scrote nicks it from home address etc. So now we have to check with insurer if we're taking it off the road and MOT etc. will expire.




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