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    Posted: 02 Sep 2020 at 13:07
Hello good folks,
new member so go easy on me. First off I´m amazed how active the comunity for Moto Guzzis is.

I´m looking for a winter project and haven´t really found any interesting options (mostly sport bikes in BiH) and i´ve hooked my eyes on a Guzzi V35/V50, to be correct 2 of them, both missing parts though the seller said that there are all parts for one complete bike (aside side covers, heatlight and mufflers).
I was wondering for your opinion if that could be true, assesing the pictures i´ve been sent. I´m going this weekend to see what the baby (babies) looks like and would love to know if many parts are missing/need to be replaced since there are any really in my country and the one i could get from ebay are kinda expensive.
Also, is there a way to know what the engines are, 35 or 50 by exterior since i havent yet asked (really no idea why though)?
Big thanks, looking forward for your texts :)








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It depends how cheap they are. I'd be reluctant to give more than £500 given the state of them.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote c13pep Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Sep 2020 at 16:57
Engine numbers are on the left side just below the cylinder PA would be V35, PB = V50
You will need at least one complete engine and gearbox preferably with its ignition system as most engine parts are not interchangeable. The cycle parts ie frame, tank, panels etc. are common to both.
Just fitting new shell bearings to mains and big ends on one engine works out very expensive     
From the pictures it looks like a `very brave` restoration and needs to be extremely cheap and that`s from my country where spares seem to  be available.

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Both bikes look like they are missing most of the electrics. The good news is that the regulator and rectifier can be replaced by one modern unit, for example from Electrex World at about £100 or so. Most parts can be found in the UK from ebay sellers like 'homernmarj' and Nicks Bits and Gutsibits often have second hand parts.  I agree that I would not pay more than £500 for both and expect to pay another £1000 to get one on the road. I have a V35 with a V50 engine and I love it for lazy cruising. If you do not want a show pony you can get some good, cheap, alternative parts such as a chrome headlight. Check the fork stanchions are not bent or pitted as they are costly to replace. Original instruments are expensive so hopefully there are some included. I didn't bother with an original size battery, just one that fits the space, and it works fine. The brake discs were originally cast iron so make sure they are not pitted or too worn or warped.
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“....but it was worth £2000 when I stored it away 20 years ago so it must be worth at least that now”.   NO!

Sellers often forget that things rust and corrode.....the front wheel of the one without the mudguard is very off centre??

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Spacer on the wheel spindle missing probably.
But both bikes seem to have V50 III or V35 Monza front brake master cylinders.

You may struggle to find some of the parts, especially in Bosnia.

However, in Europe generally there are several suppliers who will mail things to you, but there will be a cost.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote curragon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Sep 2020 at 08:43
Great, thanks. Kinda weird that theres no visible features since 150ccm difference.
Yeah, he´s asking about 750€ for it and i wouldnt wanna pay much more than half of it. Luckily the engines & gearboxes seem complete and in decent condition. That i will hopefully convince myself in when i see it in person, will keep posted.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote curragon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Sep 2020 at 08:49
"£500 for both and expect to pay another £1000 to get one on the road"
That would still be in the margins of a decent cost, but i´m afraid the second one will be much higher.
Thanks for the heads up, will try to check all those.
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Originally posted by curragon curragon wrote:

Great, thanks. Kinda weird that theres no visible features since 150ccm difference.
Yeah, he´s asking about 750€ for it and i wouldnt wanna pay much more than half of it. Luckily the engines & gearboxes seem complete and in decent condition. That i will hopefully convince myself in when i see it in person, will keep posted.

Guzzi used the same castings for the barrels, just bored them differently. Same for the crankcases.

On cost, I think you are about right on that.
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Have to agree that about half the asking price would be my max..  Having bought a so-called "sorted" V35 it is surprising how much the small parts can cost, even when you have  relatively easy access to them.
Might be worth paying more for a complete bike with known history.  Personally I'd only buy these if I already had a bike and fancied some spares and only then if they were cheap enough (ie REALLY cheap!!) ....

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dennis menace Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Sep 2020 at 17:55
Looking at the photos again I am not sure the forks and wheels on the one with the tank are Guzzi. You might get one bike almost complete by combing cycle parts from both but the remaining parts won't make up another bike, not all Guzzi anyway. Still, the bike you do get will be a classic Smile
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So the guy won´t get the price down, at least a reasonable amount. Truth is the only thing different from the pictures is the wiring seems to be very messed up and half of it missing, everything else is like on pictures, both V50s (didnt bother looking up the whole engine number) and from the outside in good shape. But will keep an eye on it if the price goes down.

Thanks all for the help :)
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This chap may be of help.

Good luck and welcome to the forum. https://www.ebay.co.uk/str/petesguzzispares

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Can the engines turn? If these engines stand for a long time the nikasil lining in the bore can corrode and seize the pistons. Often on one side only.

Also check the master cylinders, they are likely to need a rebuild too.

If they missing electronic ignition modules (MkII's) and/or ignition coils, you will have another expensive purchase.

But if you do buy them and find you have spare V50 MkII piston in useable condition left over, let me know Smile.

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Originally posted by Brian UK Brian UK wrote:

Spacer on the wheel spindle missing probably.


Spindle looks like it might be bent - right fork leg looks higher than the left. Can of worms springs to mind!

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