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    Posted: 26 Aug 2015 at 08:52
All the late range of Guzzi models (since 2005 at least) have immobilisers built in to the ignition system.
 
If you are considering buying one, make sure you get both keys, AND the security code from the seller.
 
There are too many reports of new owners who only got one key and then losing it having to buy not only a new ignition switch, but also replacing the dash because the code cannot be recovered by Guzzi dealers. This will set you back the larger part of a grand.
 
Be warned.
 
To the best of my knowledge the only company which can do anything about this situation is Carmo Electronics in the Nederland.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote red leader one Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Aug 2015 at 08:59
I bought my V7 in 2013 new .

Got two keys but don't remember any codes.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ianboydsnr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Aug 2015 at 09:08
I think I have about 4 keys,

I reset the code in the dash, which I think you can recover the code, if you have 2 keys!

it's handy to know the code, because in extreme wet conditions, my bike has failed to recognise the key on a couple of occasions!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rbt1548 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Aug 2015 at 07:55
Originally posted by red leader one red leader one wrote:

I bought my V7 in 2013 new .

Got two keys but don't remember any codes.
 
There's a chance that it's on something that's similar to a credit card in shape and size, which could be in with your handbook, some makes of bikes have a small pocket in the front or rear cover of the handbook to hold the card. the number could also be written down in the front of the handbook or service book, possibly in the area where the engine and frame numbers etc., are.
 
I'm not trying to teach my granny to suck eggs here, or, even trying to tell her how to adjust an ironing board for height for that matter, but it may be a good idea to note the numbers down in your mobile phone or in a file on your computer, or stick a note in your wallet.
 
For any old curmudgeon, who says that they refuse to use a mobile phone or computer........ how are you managing to read this???, oops, sorry! I may have got my forums mixed up! Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian UK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Aug 2015 at 10:31
Baldrick always used to set it to the owner's date of birth. The factory default is I think 5 zeros.
 
Of course you don't need a high tech way to store the code, often a pencil and the owners manual will suffice.
If you don't have an owners manual, you can download one from the internet with your mobile phone. LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Scousus maximus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Aug 2015 at 10:58
Don't think the V7 range have this level of complexity, not mentioned in the manual anyway.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jim Mac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Aug 2015 at 10:58
i remember someone suggesting the first or last five numbers  (or any variable) from the frame number - always on hand, if only i could remember what numbers i picked  ....

when i lost a key to my Norge i contacted the dealer that sold it to find out the security number - they didnt know but suggested the default 00000 - he was right
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BobV7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Aug 2015 at 11:21
Can't find any mention of code numbers for my 2010 V7.Confused
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian UK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Aug 2015 at 12:02
Originally posted by Scousus maximus Scousus maximus wrote:

Don't think the V7 range have this level of complexity, not mentioned in the manual anyway.

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Yes, did wonder about that. Do they not have an immobiliser chip in the key?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote red leader one Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Aug 2015 at 18:55
Right. I've had a look at the paper work,purchase, service book etc no sign of a code.
( I haven't looked under the ironing board though)

What I do have on the spare key & ring is a Zadi (that's the key Make I think) number on a bit of plastic.

I'm doing a pic so this is just a taster

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But there are only 4 numbers on the bit of plastic


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mike H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Aug 2015 at 19:30
Originally posted by rbt1548 rbt1548 wrote:

Originally posted by red leader one red leader one wrote:

I bought my V7 in 2013 new .

Got two keys but don't remember any codes.

 
There's a chance that it's on something that's similar to a credit card in shape and size, which could be in with your handbook, some makes of bikes have a small pocket in the front or rear cover of the handbook to hold the card. the number


Yes my Piaggio scooter is like that. Code on card and two keys black one to ride with and a brown master key. The keys have transponders (chips) in them that transmit a code to the immobiliser gizmo when you turn it on. Can't see why the same system wouldn't be used on the V7. Transponder keys have been around for at least
20 years at any rate for cars.
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My V11 Le Mans it was a wee metal tag with the key numbers on it of course no immobiliser I had an alarm immobiliser fitted by towza, Wrote the info into the service manual, done the same with the car alarms and the New Cali EV 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rbt1548 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2015 at 08:27
Originally posted by red leader one red leader one wrote:

Right. I've had a look at the paper work,purchase, service book etc no sign of a code.

But there are only 4 numbers on the bit of plastic
Aw man, you've lost one!!!!!Smile
 
To save concerning yourself about whether there is or isn't a code for it, give your supplying dealer, or any Guzzi dealer, a call and they should be able to give you a definitive answer.....No sniggering at the back now!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote iceni Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2015 at 08:34
Reminds me of my Fiat of a few years ago. If you didn't get the brown key when you bought the car, in the event of problems, it would cost about £900 to replace all the locks. Not everyone knew that, and it caused a lot of customer dis-satisfaction. There was also a plastic card with the code in the documentation.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian UK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2015 at 08:52
That is included with most cars AFAIK, certainly Peugeot and Citroen. This usually gets lost so the next owner has a problem if a new key is required, but in the two manufacturers mentioned, you can ask for a new one, cost about £25 I was told.
 
I only got one key with the car I recently bought, and no card. Fortunately Timpsons do a clone service which gets round the problem. Don't know if that could be done for the Guzzi keys.
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