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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian UK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 09:44
Which is why the original linked setup doesn't have a good front brake. The original 12mm M/C is just too big.
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Yes, after now having put some miles on my V50 with smaller master cylinder it's better but still not ideal. But I'm getting used to the linked brakes now. Only problem is trying to brake on the Norton by changing up......
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote c13pep Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 12:04
The original road tests of the V50s always mention the brakes as being very good and I don`t recall any of them saying that the front brake was `wooden` yet that is todays description. All of my V50/3s have had poor feel to the front brake and I don`t expect my Monza to be any different when finished, however we are comparing them to todays excellent brakes, perhaps its not a fair comparison.
If you want complicated then try my R1150RT with servo ABS or maybe not as I had to remove it after it failed big time and went into "limp mode" with virtually no brakes at all!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian UK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 12:25
Probably unfair to compare a late 70s brake to the modern ones. Still think they got it wrong on the V50 though.

When I bought my Norton Commando, new, the 2LS brake was supposed to be excellent. I eventually changed to a Norvil single disc and could easily outbrake any other Commando, often by about half the braking distance.
The original 2LS suffered very badly from brake fade, no matter what linings were used.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote c13pep Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 12:47
Yes my old Honda CB77 had 2LS brakes and they were a proper nightmare to set up properly but once done they were quite effective, but that was then (1960s). Compared to todays brakes they were probably poor, it`s all relative or is `character`

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian UK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 20:24
I think the 2/ls was better than the older Norton single LS type. I remember doing a swap with a mate who had an older model, he wanted to try the commando. I put his through a hedge the brakes were so poor by comparison. Fortunately it was a soft hedge, so no damage done to me or the bike.
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This is all academic, the key concept with braking is to ANTICIPATE.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ken-Guzzibear Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 12:17
My observation, for what it is worth ...on Nicks V50 I got rid of the cable operated front caliper, put a Honda superdream 250 master cyl on it. Kept the linked brakes, When we were all riding back from a V Twin Nick on the v50 in front Annie on her 535 Virago with the V1000 fully loaded bringing up the rear . on a small A road an Ambulance came around a blind bend over cooking it exiting on our side of the road we all anchored up both Guzzis stopped real quick the Virago slid by the inside of the V50 . NB Annie has real fast reaction time and was following at a decent distance The difference was the linked brakes .....THAT is exactly what they were designed to do Stop, less dive more control less drama. The difference in how Both Guzzis stopped compared to the Virago was noticeable and the V1000 had loads on t including back then me I was 25 stone+ Annie on her Virago well under 10 stone ...Just an observation
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Well I was still not happy with the 14mm piston sized master cylinder so went down again in size to a 12.7mm off a Honda VFR750. 
This is better again with a bit more feel.

The brakes are working well now but I think 12mm piston size would be better still.

The bonus of a span adjuster on the brake lever is better for the wife to reach and she can pull the bike up better without the need to eat too much spinach.

Ive also changed the clutch lever for a Nissin one off a Triumph. The dog leg lever means she can reach to use it now. I had to make up a new cable adjuster though as the original one didn't suit the cable. The alternative would have been a new made to measure cable but I had the facilities so it was cheap to do.

If you are delinking the brakes I would now suggest a max size of 12.7mm for the front and if you can find a 12mm - try that.
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