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    Posted: 06 Nov 2018 at 07:44
Nothing to do with Guzzi's but, as a matter of interest can anyone comment on this situation, please?
A company currently provides and pays for broadband connection into an employees house for the purposes of their business only, independent of the family broadband connection.
Company decides arbitrarily to terminate their broadband connection and to impose business use of the family connection, in return for a small contribution to the monthly cost.
Employees are TOLD this IS happening.
Now, I know two thirds of bugger all when it comes to computer technology or employment law, but this seems to me to be totally wrong, and fraught with issues, family privacy being one, especially when the company in question has out sourced the admin of their broadband abroad.
Or am I just being a silly old sod?
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Silly old sod aside, apart from the privacy implications, it may well be  a pay cut, as employer doesn't have to pay for broadband, BUT, employee may have to pay extra to get extra capacity, (although most have unlimited nowadays), therefore reducing their disposable income.
Unless the terms state you must let the company use your  connection is in his/her/it's contract of employment I would not imagine they employer could impose such conditions, for me it's tantamount to bullying and I would toddle off to the nearest Citizen's Advice Bureau as they would have people who would be experts in employment law. Also if the person is a member of a union I would certainly go there first.
Seems to me the employer is chancing their arm, and will have less expenditure to pay out for broadband, but without knowing all the facts, one can only speculate.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote iceni Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 2018 at 08:40
His / her / it’s.  I see you’re up with the times, RobertLOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jim Mac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 2018 at 09:03
there is no way a company can force you to share your domestic supply of anything - without your agreement.  i suspect a lot of people would not  want to take on their employer in a situation such as this as they dont want any hassle and reckon they are being subsidised for the use so whats the harm.

most people who work from home wont have an employer subsidised braodband connection,  but will probably have an employer supplied laptop etc which they can use for personal business

at avery minimum i woudl want an employer to indemnify me against any personal tax implications
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Barry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 2018 at 09:18
Bugger off.  Who takes responsibility, for example, for hacking, corruption, or infection of company data?

On their own line, with their own conditions attached, they can dictate and take appropriate responsibility.

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Originally posted by iceni iceni wrote:

His / her / it’s.  I see you’re up with the times, RobertLOL
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote V7Chris Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 2018 at 09:22
Similar situation as me. We used to get separate broadband and a separate home office allowance to cover heat, light etc. Now we use our own broadband and an increased home office allowance to cover everything. So long as it isn't costing you, does it matter? You would want broadband anyway and if this subsidised by your employer, surely that is a good thing isn't it? I suppose you could always decline to allow your personal broadband connection to be used for your employers business and install a separate connection just for business, but would that help? As I am rarely at home when working anyway, they have issued field staff with mobile Wi-Fi anyway so I guess I took the view that it doesn't cost me or bother me so fair enough. If it does bother you, then the CAB or your union if you have one is sensible advice.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian UK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 2018 at 09:26
A contract is an agreement between two parties. Both parties must agree to the terms. New terms cannot just be imposed by one party. So unless the original contract of employment gave the employer the right to do this, and I very much doubt it ever did, they cannot impose business use of the family connection if that use restricts in any way the family access to whatever they wish to do.
They could probably ask if they could share that connection if they make a proportionate contribution to the family cost. But they cannot restrict in any way the family use.

If the employer just gives a contribution towards their use of the broadband connection then it wouldn't be a benefit in kind, so shouldn't have any tax implications.

Not so much Big Brother, more Bully Boy tactics.
As suggested, the CAB should be able to offer advice. If the employee is a member of a trade union then they should certainly be informed and should take up the issue to ensure all is above board. Websites like this might give some help.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian UK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 2018 at 09:30
Originally posted by V7Chris V7Chris wrote:

So long as it isn't costing you, does it matter? You would want broadband anyway and if this subsidised by your employer, surely that is a good thing isn't it?

The way I read the original post, the employer is wanting impose business use, which could also mean a restriction on what the family use might be. This would be unacceptable.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian UK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 2018 at 09:34
Originally posted by Barry Barry wrote:

Who takes responsibility, for example, for hacking, corruption, or infection of company data?

On their own line, with their own conditions attached, they can dictate and take appropriate responsibility.

True, you would certainly have to ensure that you could never be held responsible if a virus accidentally downloaded during family use then infected work software.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote iansoady Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 2018 at 10:27
Agree with all that's been said, especially getting the TU (if applicable) involved. I was a Union shop steward for many years, and it was amazing how often this sort of thing came up only to be dropped when firmly opposed. Some employers will try anything on.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian UK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 2018 at 10:41
I'm still an honorary life member of my TU. Branch chairman for many years.
And yes, this sort of thing is nothing new.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote iceni Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 07:23
Thank you, gentlemen, for your sage advice. I especially liked the "Bugger Off"
solution. It'll be interesting to see how this pans out.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian UK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 07:46
I think the worst case I had to deal with was when my employer decided to no longer pay cash for expenses, but intorduced a credit card, issued to those who had payments to make.
But in their wisdom, they made it a personal liability card, so you buy something, then you get the bill from the credit card company and you have to pay it off, claiming the money to do this from the employer with the appropriate paperwork. You had the standard window to do this, but if there was a late payment it meant a £25 excess charge and a black mark on your credit rating.
So when the money from the employer didn't materialise, you were in the proverbial. I discovered one guy who had a mortgage application turned down for this reason.

I did get it changed.
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