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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jonnymac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jun 2016 at 18:34
I shouldn't say too much having a cafe T3, but I actually like the lines of the starting bike.
I can see another Guzzi coming soon with flat bars an slightly swept pipes.

Looking forward to the end result though

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stomp944 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jun 2016 at 22:02
good bones are good bones...

many bits just off for re-chroming.
frame and other bits to the sandblaster and for powdercoating.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ipaulog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jun 2016 at 22:22
[...the 850T as a standard roadster is a great bike and in my opinion one of the best Guzzis ever made, nice engine, and great discs + drum brakes combination.
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Have to agree. If Guzzi put an 850T or T3 on the market now I'd have one. 
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If Guzzi put an 850T or T3 on the market now I'd have one. [/QUOTE]
I'm sure you're are not alone in that view.
I've never understood it,many companies seem to get a product so right at some point then do their level best to ruin it.For example,just look at a 1970 Bonnie.Then cast an eye over a 1971 model Why would anyone discontinue the fitting of stainless mudguards in favor of plastic ones which the paint fell off very quickly,Guzzi did.
I could go on, but i'm sure there's no need.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mike H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jun 2016 at 00:48
It's because you must keep producing something 'new' each year. Trouble is once you've peaked the only way left is down. I also think Guzzi peaked in the mid '70's, then went downhill from there.

However I now also think the modern models should be superior in every regard, but only IF the QC and fuelling issues can be sorted out.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dave P. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jun 2016 at 01:31
Guzzi's best sales year by far was 1971,but I think that was largely due to American sales.The Yanks initially didn't like the Tonti machines and some dealers even tried to disguise them as Eldorado's.I believe that the 850T and the T3 were much more to the European taste in style and improved road holding it's just so sad that each successive season the machines lost some of their detail quality.(Dons body armour and runs for the hills)The oil filter was a long overdue improvement though.
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An 850 T3 with PHF 36 carbs and 950 barrels gets my vote...I put my money where my mouth is, I've got one
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Ah, but did you buy the Company.
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Looking forward to seeing how this progresses, lots of pics please.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jonnymac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jul 2016 at 16:40
Originally posted by Oldrat Oldrat wrote:

An 850 T3 with PHF 36 carbs and 950 barrels gets my vote...I put my money where my mouth is, I've got one

I have one of those too, though slightly modded. Big smile
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Project Update.  I was able to get traction on the project when the frame and other bits came back from powder coating.  In the meantime, the shocks and forks required rebuild, the UJ needed rebuild (John C) and bearings replaced.  A lever had to be straightened; the sidestand mount straightened; starter solenoid repaired.  And dozens of other parts needed cleaning and in some cases painting. 

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sgnFswdo414/V8d_F0wsCjI/AAAAAAAABQg/zhIAvDdAVPc_qu5zhm5MWPa_IZKPV6hVQCLcB/s1600/ready.jpg
At this point all electrical is connected up, thanks to a new Greg B harness.
The plan for today is to hook the new gas lines up to the tank and install the exhaust headers so I can see if this 850 still fires up.  Fingers crossed.....
Sean
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Looking good.
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Originally posted by Oldrat Oldrat wrote:

An 850 T3 with PHF 36 carbs and 950 barrels gets my vote...I put my money where my mouth is, I've got one

What did you do with the heads mate, were the inlet ports opened up, + anything else done.

Reckon just opening up the inlets + 36mm carbs would make my ole T3 a tad more responsive than it is now (maybe), i have a well tuned G5 Special, i don't want to go very far with the tuning on the T3 tourer just make it a little more eager. 

Nice to get first hand info from someone who's done it.




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Looking good +1!
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Originally posted by chilly chilly wrote:

Originally posted by Oldrat Oldrat wrote:

An 850 T3 with PHF 36 carbs and 950 barrels gets my vote...I put my money where my mouth is, I've got one


What did you do with the heads mate, were the inlet ports opened up, + anything else done.

Reckon just opening up the inlets + 36mm carbs would make my ole T3 a tad more responsive than it is now (maybe), i have a well tuned G5 Special, i don't want to go very far with the tuning on the T3 tourer just make it a little more eager. 

Nice to get first hand info from someone who's done it.






Hi Chilly
950 kit from Gutsibits, inlets opened up and polished to match the bigger carbs. Twin plugged and Silent Hektik ignition.
I had a T3 and a LM2 in the garage. I chose to cafe the T3 partly because the advice from Nigel NBS and his mate Ray was that this set up in the T3 was nicer for the road, pulling like a train from low down and not too revvy.

The T3 happened to be in a bit of a sorry state too, and IMHO I'd rather restore the LM than chance spooling it with a chop.

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