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    Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 16:23
I copied this to here as it probably better place to get answer. Thanks in advance for any replies.

Hi I just bought a 2009 Nevada 750 IE last Saturday. Bike has 9500 miles on it. Had it's initial run-in service done and its second service too not too long ago.

Prior to viewing the bike I asked the owner to be sure to have all oils topped up and tyres pumped up with correct pressure as I would be most likely riding home on it.

I looked at the engine oil level before riding home. 

When the engine was COLD the owner screwed out the dipstick wiped it, and dipped it in WITHOUT screwing it in and looked at it. The dipstick only has ONE line on it NOT a min and Max line as described in the user manual. This line is stamped in the steel about 1/4" from the bottom of the stick.The bike was cold when dipped and I have read since these should be dipped hot. The oil level on the stick was to the top of the line. 

The owner said he was told at the dealership where the bike was bought that the oil level should be between the bottom of the stick and the top of the line 1/4" from the bottom. I wondered at this but perhaps the dealership figured this is the best way to dip for oil cold. 

The user manual says if you dip cold the oil level can temporarily drop below the minimum but it is not a problem provided the oil pressure and alarm warning light do not turn on at the same time.

I googled for info on my type of dipstick but could not find any info on a dipstick with only one line stamped on it. So, to be sure I took bike for a run then drained the oil out. There was 1.2L of oil in the bike. I measured out the correct amount of 10W60,  1.7 L and poured it in. The oil now comes to the top of the flattened criss-crossed part of the stick.

I am worried now this bike has been run with only 1.2 L of oil, it has toured France a few times too. Then again, it was serviced at a Moto Guzzi dealership.

I'm now concerned there may be early wear on the engine parts as a result. But, no oil pressure or engine fault lights have come on since I have been riding the bike. Luckily, I rode home taking my time and not going too fast from Belfast.

What do you reckon, do I need to get cylinders inspected? It runs lovely. Would 1.2L be sufficient in a small block?

All views appreciated.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian UK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 17:02
Did you remove the oil filter and replace too? The total capacity is usually for a dry sump, which includes a dry oil filter. Just check that the quantity you put in is for an oil change without filter change.

If you fill these engines too much it all comes out of the breather next trip. Usually fills the airbox.

But it is correct not to screw the dip stick in when checking the level.

Even if the oil level was a bit low, so long as there is enough for the oil pump to pick up, you would get no damage, so rest assured, your bike is fine. The worst that could happen would be the oil gets a little hotter than normal.
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Hi Brian, I didn't replace the filter as I had none (only have the bike since Saturday night). The bike would have been serviced at about 7K and there only 2500 miles since that. I read that the overall capacity is 2L including filter and that about 1.7L is about without filter change.

Regarding the oil capacity that was in it when I drained it, it was 1.2L without removing the filter. I know from my Enfield that there is more oil in the filter chamber too, the Nevada would be the same I guess? If so, the bike would have had about 1.5L in it, which is not so bad.

I do know that no oil pressure light or failure lights have came on on my long journey home or since, so the pump circuit must have had enough but perhaps the bike may have ran hotter than usual, I thought that it was a bit hot on way home that night but I'd never ridden it before and just reckoned it the way they are. That is my worry I guess, it has been running hot for a while, but you reckon it would still be ok as the pump circuit had enough?

However, your words have eased my mind somewhat.

Where is the air box? The Enfield Bullet has an expansion tank that has to be emptied now and again as oil collects in it over time. So, I guess if I have oil in the airbox, the bike will fine it's own level and I may have a messy airbox to clean out, but that is only a simple matter of getting the hands dirty and I m very used to that with Urals, Enfields etc.

Thanks Brian UK for your speedy reply, very good of you to share your knowledge with me..

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nab301 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 21:37
As Brian says you should be fine  , this is the dipstick from my Breva  750 , i've kept the oil level to the top of the  x pattern which corresponds to changing the oil and filter and adding 1.7l . No oil in airbox so far.
edit  i've just had a look at the owners handbook and it's suggesting  checking the oil with a warm engine and the dipstick screwed in...Confused


Edited by nab301 - 12 Jun 2018 at 21:43
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian UK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 22:28
I do wish Guzzi would make their minds up. Almost all handbooks throughout the life of the Guzzi V Twin says don't screw the dipstick in, then you find one which says the opposite. I wonder what the Italian version says.

It does sound as if the level was a tad low, keep it to the upper end and check after a run. If it's dropped a bit, maybe it was too full.
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It seems Guzzi say one thing and then print another, screwed in then out. I have read this online. My Nevada 750 Classic user guide says to dip without screwing in and shows a diagram of a dipstick with a two lines for min and max. But mine has no such markings but is genuine stock part from factory.

I took bike for a run earlier nd it seems fine.

My concern is the previous owner has been running it with damn all oil in it it seems, my concern was early wear but then again it only has 9500 miles and was lying up for few years, the two services so far were its run in one and the next one both done at a dealership.

It is a nice little bike, bit like my Royal Enfield Bullet Sixty 5 in that the gear change is clunky but with disk brakes, more poke, warning lights, the lights come all by themselves!!, fuel injection, etc.

The enfield suspension is softer though ( I replaced and set the swingarm for my weight) it is a nice bike. This Nevada seems to have a hard suspension in comparison. I must read up on the preload rear adjustment but it is more a front fork thing. Then again the enfield tyres are 25 psi front and 32 rear, where the Nevada is 31.9 front and rear without passenger. But, our roads are not continental but rather more rough in places ...... bike shook the guts out of me earlier whereas the Enfield would not be so bad. I put up a post asking what existing users put in their tyres psi , but got only one reply. I may try to run front at 28 and rear at 30 and see if I get any ill things happening such as tyre creep etc, but might be a lot smoother.

What psi do you guys use in your Breva 750 and other small block Guzzi??
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote IrishGene Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jun 2018 at 00:11
Nab301, the dipstick in my Nevada is a bit like the one in your photo only yours had and indent and mine has a line stamped in the steel there
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mike H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jun 2018 at 10:47
Not sure about Nevada but many folks want to change shocks on the newer small block type models because they're too hard. 

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Yeah, mine is a bit hard I think. I must read up on this preload thing. Looking at the shock it is set about an inch up the threads from the bottom of the shock.
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Originally posted by IrishGene IrishGene wrote:

Yeah, mine is a bit hard I think. I must read up on this preload thing. Looking at the shock it is set about an inch up the threads from the bottom of the shock.

Preload won't affect the spring rate though , just the static ride height, you'll need different springs / shocks to soften the ride .  Maybe it's just my tall , (weight in proportion to heightEmbarrassed) 100kg that makes my Breva 750 feel a tad on the soft side...
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At the moment by Nevada when cold - oil is at the top of the criss-crossed section of the dipstick. I put in 1.7 L after draining hot oil but did not open the filter chamber so there would be some oil in there. IS it 1.7 or 2L in total including the filter chamber. I may have to take a wee bit of oil out.

Where is the airbox so I can get a look at it to check for oil in the 2009 Nevada? I must get a workshop manual, I had one for the Enfields and could follow it to do all my own work, handy.  The book that came with the bike has only a little detail not detailed enough.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote IrishGene Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 22:36
I think I see the airbox, it's under the tank between the cylinder V. There is a wee pipe coming out the front of it and down to towards the ground to expel oil, but it is dry as a bone. So, if there is oil in it it may not be much. To check for sure I would have to take hank off to see.
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Just ride it for a bit, get used to it. Just check the oil level from time to time to see if the level is dropping.

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