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Originally posted by Chris A Chris A wrote:

I'm with mike on the gaskets too   and don't go for the thin black engine gaskets either...they are complete leaky sh*te !!Old style  Green ones are good. Really glad about the choke being an issue and best with the strobe...sound like tow morrow all your troubles will be over.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote iceni Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Apr 2019 at 12:57
Took both heads off this morning, with the following findings:
Cyl head, barrel face and gaskets on both heads very oily - not just a smear. 
Right hand (hot) cyl head valve faces covered in soot. (Could be due to enrichment valve).
Both bores and top of pistons very oily.
New head gaskets ordered, but now feel that the bastard might now  need attention to bores, pistons and ringsOuch🤬🤬🤬🤬

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Chris A Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Apr 2019 at 23:40
Was the copper gasket installed dry or with permatex ??? I guess you don't know but if dry the oil was could well be leaking into the chamber and hence  that issue....That's one reason why the copper gaskets are not a good idea for me.The factory gasket has a crush zone for those oilways so they don't leak....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote iceni Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 06:01
Not come across Permatex therefore installed dry after annealing the gaskets, which is a practice I’ve used successfully on other bikes.  I’ve ordered the composite ones from Gutsibits and am considering a rebore but am also trying to keep costs under control until I’ve ridden the bike to prove it. 
I reckon my attitude towards it is coloured by the annoyance of feeling I’ve been had, but in reality it’s my own fault. Should have got off my arse and viewed prior to purchase or followed my gut instinct not to have taken it off the delivery van. 
I thought this one would be the jewel in my “stable” but at the moment all I can see is mounting costs which will exceed the value of the bike.  I want to love it, but so far, i don't,  especially after parting with a Guzzi in FAR better condition in order to get it, but am grateful for the info from everyone which may help restore my faith 😢






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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Chris A Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 09:26
I know your feelings ! I had similar issues when I got the 650 NTX...ignition was playing up so that was replaced, exhaust leaked so more cash went there and to cap it off she thew a big end and as there are no oversizes on that crank...another engine had to be bought. As that was second hand it needs work too and I gave up for a while to concentrate on more urgent and rewarding matters.It will live again ...If we were all magicians and soothsayers life would be cosy and simple !!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote iceni Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 2019 at 08:40
Yesterday I bit the bullet and ordered new downpipes and H piece which won't be here for a few weeks. As I have time and opportunity, I'm considering taking the front casing off to see what's going on re timing chain etc. Not sure if there's a chain tensioner but I'll soon find out. Idle hands, and all that...…..
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Just confirming that all is well won't be wasting your time....Big smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote iceni Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 2019 at 09:12
Agreed, Chris A, I’m apprehensive of what I may find, but at least I’ll have a damage control situation!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote iceni Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 2019 at 18:56
Timing cover off, and all looks ok with the chain and sprockets.
The tensioner is the manually adjusted type and I feel the need to fit the auto spring loaded item, but not if I have to remove all sprockets which, as far as I’m aware, needs special tools.
I made an extractor for the rotor this morning, but the others don't look quite as easy!

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George, I'm led to believe that Napalm is a very effective releasing agent.

If it doesn't release the seized nuts on the " machine" it will definitely release you from your Turmoil with it.


It may even be an idea to park it in front of Musty Moto premises before employing a gallon of it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote iceni Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 2019 at 21:00
To be fair, the seller did say that if I returned it, the electrical problem would be corrected under warranty but as it would have cost about £300 in transport charges, I decided to do it myself.
I’ve also received, FOC, a set of OEM left hand switch gear to put it back to standard should I wish to go that far, so I get the impression that at least he’s trying to help.  I’ve taken things a bit further, which is my decision, not out of necessity, but in the interest of good practise.  The bike is still under warranty, so once it’s back on the road, if anything untoward happens, it’ll be going back.  If anything does fail that can be put down to something I’ve done myself, I’ll accept responsibility for that.
This is my first venture into the Guzzi engine, so the learning curve is under way.  Regarding the incedomechanics,  I took the precaution of removing a full box of extra-long matches from the garage from day one.  As an aside, the bike is now sitting on my newly purchased hydraulic ramp.  Why didn’t I get one years ago?!!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mike H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 2019 at 22:07
Originally posted by iceni iceni wrote:

The tensioner is the manually adjusted type and I feel the need to fit the auto spring loaded item, but not if I have to remove all sprockets


My attitude would be, it ain't broke so don't fix it.


Originally posted by Chris A Chris A wrote:

The factory gasket has a crush zone for those oilways so they don't leak....


Quite so, and so one has to assume the factory designed the gasket to do the job properly. I always avoided pattern gaskets etc. for any bike I'd got, always went for the OEM items.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Chris A Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 2019 at 22:25
The valtech sprung tensioner is so cheap and works really well...gotta be worth putting one in at this point. And while we are abut gaskets has anyone else noticed that the thinner black ones seem to wick oil rather badly ???!!!!Never using those again...back to thick and green here !  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian UK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 2019 at 22:46
That Valtech - Stucci tensioner has its weakness. Spring breaks and bits could get tangled in the chain. When mine broke the bits fell to the bottom of the timing chest fortunately.
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If you decide to fit the spring loaded bow type  Stucci tensioner you can remove the old manual one without removing the chain and sprockets but you do have to bend it and I’m sure I also had to remove the rubber block so you can’t refit it at a later date when the whining noise from the Stucci tensioner starts to annoy you !
The one I fitted to my lemon 4 will be getting removed soon and a spare late guzzi sprung one I have fitted 😬
So many bikes, so little time !
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