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    Posted: 10 Oct 2017 at 09:45
Hi all,

the "Lego" switchgear has finally arrived.

Do you know where I can find throttle cables for the 1000SP with the front adjuster?

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Which throttle are you using? There was another thread on this subject, I think?

If you've acquired an 'original' throttle unit with the 'lego switches' and throttle all in one assembly, then there are, as best I recall, no 'front adjusters' on the throttle cables for this unit. Available from all reputable Guzzi dealers.

If you've gone for a Tommaselli 2c throttle unit, and separate switches, then there are 'adjusters' at the throttle end, and again these cables are available from all the regular dealers.

If you've gone for a third option of switches and some other throttle, somebody may be able to point you in the right direction, but - as per the other thread - you're likely down to making, or getting some made to suit your unique setup.

Posting a picture of exactly what throttle/switch arrangement you have would save a lot of back and forth  (o;
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Omobono Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Oct 2017 at 15:06
Hi
I have "Lego", Gutsibits ELA14455 (there is a pic there, not sure how to insert pic). I bought it from Stein Dinse b/c availability but identical spare part.
Gutsibits has no throttle cables with adjuster that aren't for Tommaselli.
 
I preferred an adjuster because last year, when we worked on it with our very own theoneandonlymin, we discovered that carbs with the plastic cover require a slightly different throttle cable length than carbs with metal cover (which I now have on both carbs). Therefore, by ordering standard throttle cables I would not know whether they work and the adjuster would help.
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Barry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Oct 2017 at 15:31
I'm 99% certain that the original throttle that you describe does not have adjusters on the throttle end of the cable - all adjustment being made at the carb end.

It's been a while since I binned my own 'standard throttles' - or, more accurately, they binned themselves by disintegrating - so it's just possible that someone here knows otherwise.

Why didn't you order cables to fit the throttle, when you ordered the new throttle?  Just wondering!  (o;


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"Why didn't you order cables to fit the throttle, when you ordered the new throttle?  Just wondering!  (o;"
 
I forgot!! Angry
 I had been waiting for weeks for the part to become available at Gutsibits, one morning I ordered from Stein Dinse "on the spur of the moment" and I just forgot the cables!
 
When I realised it I said to myself: "no worries, it's a good time to get throttle cable with adjusters". (I have the BMW to ride with so it's not terribly urgent). Seems like there are no standard versions available?
 
I am toying with the idea of having Venhill make custom ones with adjusters. Again, the problem is that I do not want to have the mobile mechanic come to my garage for the installation of the ego swtchgear and new cable and discover that nothing can be done because the standard throttle cable works with the plastic carburettor cover, but not with the metal ones I have...
 
   

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Barry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Oct 2017 at 16:17
There *are* standard throttle cables available, it's just that the standard ones, for your throttle setup, do not have adjusters at the throttle end!

So, if you really want 'throttle-end' adjusters to go with this throttle set-up - then you're off into "getting something made" territory.

The 'standard' throttle cables (for the throttle you just purchased) work just fine with the 'standard' carb tops, provided that you have the adjuster part which is fitted, as standard, to the standard carbs! (check the diagram for VHB30's here:  https://www.dellorto.co.uk/product-category/dellorto-motorcycle-carburettors-parts/dellorto-vintage-carburettors-and-parts/vhb-vhbz-vhbt-parts/)

Edit - looking closely at the Eurocarbs parts listings, even the plastic carb top for the VHB30's seems to be threaded to take the adjustment screws - you have those fitted, right?


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Hi and thanks,
no I had the plastic carb tops, then Mr Bishop stole one (the guy about whom I write last year), then we put metal replacements covers. I am sure the thread works, I fear the length might not be the same as the metal cover has a slightly different termination on top. We are talking a very small measure, I think less than 1 cm, but this is where I would have liked the adjuster.
 
I have ordered the "standard" throttle cables from Stein Dinse (Gutsibits has a waiting time of weeks again). When they arrive I might ask Venhill to make me a copy with adjuster, explaining the problem.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Barry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Oct 2017 at 16:33
It shouldn't really matter that the thread length on the plastic tops differs in length (slightly) from the metal tops - because the part that screws into that thread *is* an adjuster.

Anyway, you have the metal tops fitted now, which *are* as standard, and provided that you have the appropriate adjuster and locknut parts fitted to the carb top (as illustrated at the Eurocarb link), you're good to go with the standard throttle cables, for your throttle, making any necessary adjustments at the carb end - as per standard.
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Originally posted by Omobono Omobono wrote:

I do not want to have the mobile mechanic come to my garage for the installation of the ego swtchgear and new cable and discover that nothing can be done because the standard throttle cable works with the plastic carburettor cover, but not with the metal ones I have...
 
 
Just phone up your retailer of choice, tell them you have x,z or y set up and your are using whatever carb top they will know what fits, the retailers mentioned are all good and will help you.
Sorry you must have typed that you had ordered whilst I was typing this.
 
Take note what Barry says, that the adjuster part will/can be fitted to the carb top, it's number 24 in the pic below, number 25 is it's locking screw that gets tightened when you have adjusted 24 to give the required free play in the cable.
 
When doing it remember that it is unlikely, when you have balanced the slides to open at the same time, that the two adjusters will be adjusted exactly the same amount, this is due to various discrepancies , don't worry about it , just get the slides to open at the same time. 
 
 


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Originally posted by Barry Barry wrote:

I'm 99% certain that the original throttle that you describe does not have adjusters on the throttle end of the cable - all adjustment being made at the carb end.

Having also had a 1000 SP, yes.


NB: first and only time I tried any Venhill cables they were always too thick and wouldn't fit. Before that they were sending me the wrong lengths. Finally gave up on them...


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Originally posted by rbt1548 rbt1548 wrote:


When doing it remember that it is unlikely, when you have balanced the slides to open at the same time, that the two adjusters will be adjusted exactly the same amount, this is due to various discrepancies , don't worry about it , just get the slides to open at the same time. 

About 3mm of free play, if memory serves.

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When I set it up , you had a lego throttle housing and metal carb tops. So the cables you had then we're the correct ones as we set it up on the vacuum gauge. Those lengths worked properly then so where are those cables now ? I might have time on Sunday morning to balance it up if you have those cables but won't know until Saturday.
Message me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Omobono Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Oct 2017 at 14:54
Hi Min!
 
The setup of last year was already very old and the winter (garage is not good I am afraid) screwed the rest of the cables. This spring I had the entire cable system made new, and the old, rotten switchgear and throttle assembly was substituted for another one from Suzuki, with (as I understood later) manually adapted throttle cables. Therefore, I very much doubt that the cables now on the bike would work with the new "Improved Lego" switchgear I now have at home.
 
I have ordered from Germany new cables for "1000 SP", which will hopefully work with the metal top we installed with you. However, we run the risk that those cable only work with the plastic ones, which is bad because I really like the metal tops I have now. The throttle cables are coming from Germany so it will some days before they are in.
 
I will, during the weekend and for security, drive to the garage (as you know I do not live where the bike does), make some photos and email to Gutsibits asking them what they have that will work with that particular setup. If they have some with front adjuster so much the better, but it appears they don't really exist for the "Lego" switchgear setup.
 
Curiously, I have in Germany an SP2 with the adjuster on the side of the throttle, so I suspect that the one I have in Germany is a Magura or Tommaselli setup (I thought it was original).
 
I'll let you know when I have cables that should work, it would be a sin to abuse of your generosity and willingness to help and have you travel to South Ockendon for nothing, because the cables are not the proper ones.
 
Many thanks!!
 
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